Timothy: Welcome to the Consider Podcast and today, let’s start with an apology.
Intro: Welcome to the Consider Podcast where we turn our minds to consider wisdom, madness and folly. Join the host Timothy and Jacob on a quest to have God enlighten the mind according to verse 25 of Ecclesiastes chapter 7. So, I turned my mind to understand. To investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly. Ecclesiastes 7:25. The Consider Podcast examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities at www.consider.info.
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Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?” (John 6:61). “Brothers, if I’m still preaching outward Christianity, why am I still being persecuted? In that case, the offense of the cross has been abolished”. (Galatians 5:110). So, stop your grumbling and welcome to the Consider Podcast where the offense of the cross has not been abolished. Today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities. www.considered.info.
Timothy: And let’s begin with an apology because this really is not the way God intended for things to be done. It’s a compromise so to speak. I mean God put it on my heart to begin to do this podcast. But then as I sat down to meditate and think about it, God’s idea of making disciples. We’ll come back to this in a moment, but the word “disciples” going to become very important is a one-on-one process between man and man between wrestling with God and man. And then of course we have our own sins to deal with.
Jacob: When you talk about the way kind of it’s a supposed to be and I’m assuming we’ve talked before about just the times that we live in, correct? Not only your personal life but overall, as a society in America.]
Timothy: Yeah, we do. It’s crucial that we understand the time in which we live in second Chronicles, “The men there understood the time that they lived”. So, we’ve got to discover how we’re going to live I think of the 20, 30 years ago, you could have said, oh let’s not go to the movies or let’s not watch videos. And that was possible.
Timothy: You can’t do that today it literally is impossible you could be on an island somewhere away from the world Somebody brings in a phone and you’ve got a video playing. So, the concepts, the rules, the ways of doing things that were valid 15 years ago, five years ago maybe even but certainly 30 years ago no longer apply. We have to figure out what’s happening in our time period. What God would have us do from there and how to get ready. I’m stumbling over words because there is just so much to discuss.
Timothy: The doctrines are a mess in the church.
Timothy: Lie lives or filthy. And I’m not talking about the world. We already know that. I’m talking about the church is unprepared, for the time in which they live and have little clues to what’s going on.
Jacob: Well, I mean the church continues to just get more worldly and worldly and worldly, right? There’s not going a turning away from the world. It’s just like, it’s just merging to one. There’s no difference.
Timothy: Yeah, when I first begin my walk and with God or God got a hold of me, that was 40 years ago and I can mention names either musicians or pastors or whatever. Most people wouldn’t even recognize those names.
Timothy: But we saw the compromise coming in. We saw the whitewashing of sin. We saw really the only scriptures anybody lives is just to believe in Jesus, which of course the demons believe in Jesus. That means nothing. We’re eventually going to do away with the word Christian and get back to the truth, which is becoming a disciple of Jesus. But we’ll get more into that later on.
Timothy: But again, the apology really is that God didn’t mean for me to be sitting here in front of a microphone and you over there and we kind of lay out a bunch of doctrinal stuff.
Timothy: It’s going to be life giving but only if we actually pick up our cross and actually follow Jesus.
Jacob: Because if you look at Acts the first church, having all things in common, right? There was like a meeting together every day in the temples. And what you’re saying is, well this is not that right, this is somebody that’s listening to a podcast somewhere. So, it can be beneficial but even the things that we talk about. I know for my own life right., like even when you and I talk about things. Okay, well then you still, everyone has to go live it.
Timothy: Exact, well first Corinthians chapter 8 verse 1 tells us that knowledge puffs up love builds up that takes a lifetime. I got a hold of the, well when I say I got a hold of God impressed, taught me, showed me the message of the cross early on and I eventually got the concept.
Timothy: But I was a long-long way from that actually being in my life and having the righteousness comes from God. So, somebody can listen to this podcast. We’re going to cover a lot of doctrinal issues. A lot of things that need to be done. But that doesn’t mean that we’re qualified to do so. Or that God has made it real. And the danger here is that everybody becomes puffed up with knowledge.
Timothy: Okay, I got this down. I got that down. I agree with this. I agree with that. There’s a big difference between for example, agreeing that we should all be humble.
Timothy: Everybody’s crazy.
Jacob: Yeah. That’s easy.
Timothy: You can until somebody starts to humble you or God uses them to break you. Um then it’s a whole different matter.
Timothy: Jesus said in Matthew 28, “Go and make disciples”. He didn’t say go make believers and a discipling process is a one-on-one process. Jesus came. He had his twelve apostles. He taught them. He told them to go teach, and it was normally one on one. It wasn’t this broadcasting kind of thing. I mean it’d been ridiculous to consider Jesus on TV saying put your hand on the screen and you’re saved.
Timothy: There’re sins that people have to be dealt with. There’re different hurts people have experienced. There’re different joys, different cultures, different languages.
Timothy: It’s an extremely difficult process to first communicate the message of the cross and the power that’s behind it. Then to guide somebody or show somebody or help and get into a position where God can actually begin the crucifying process and then encouraging from there. There’s just too many dynamics involved in this and people often times would come wanting, well, what about this situation about that situation? There’re very few just clear cut, solid answers like, yeah, just go do this or go do that.
Jacob: Yeah. So, even people that maybe listening to this right now, right? So, and maybe they agree. They’re like, oh yeah, the church I’m going to is dead. Even like, oh I agree that we shouldn’t just agree right about what to do. So, I get what’s on your heart right now then.
Timothy: Well, let me give you a classic example. Acts chapter 8 verse 26.
Jacob: So, I don’t see it on your screen.
Timothy: Oh, you won’t. I’m not going to bring up everyone.
Jacob: Okay that’s fine.
Timothy: No. You’re right though. Let me go down and it’s about the Ethiopian eunuch.
Timothy: Acts chapter 8 verse 26. Keep in mind again the knowledge puffs up. But love builds up. And love has to go, to get love in our that’s a love that’s from Jesus Christ not one that we’ve conjured up or our church somehow is inspired. But something that really comes because self has been crucified. Takes a long time to happen. But that said God’s way of really doing things is one on one person to person. It’s so important to him that we read in Acts chapter 8 verse 26 that an angel came to Philip and the angels telling Philip to go find this particular person in this chariot and begin to share the gospel.
Now sure there’s a tremendous miracle that’s happening here and angels talking, then Philip shares the gospel with him and then it says, he miraculously appears somewhere else, so God is moving along. But let’s back up for a moment and see the larger picture here at the moment. What’s happening here is that God is placing men and he will go to any links to do that. He’ll send an angel down to say go here go do that, if we’re available. Most people aren’t even available do the work.
Timothy: And so then let’s just read little bit. “Now, an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Go south to the road”. God’s very specific about where to go and what to do. So, you got to be an available servant and most people just don’t have that heart anyway. And it says, “The desert road — that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza. So, he started out and, on his way, he met an Ethiopian eunuch. An important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means Queen of the Ethiopians). This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, and on his way, home was sitting in his chair reading the book of Isaiah the prophet.
Now notice the surrender within Philip, he doesn’t just go and he’s there and then assumed oh okay I need to do this I need to that. He is waiting for God to tell him each step of the way. And that’s a little hint of the surrendered life that we’re going to look at as we proceed into this podcast. So, Philip is there, he’s obedient to exactly what God wants to do. He there in the road and then the spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it”. So, we’re talking about a very fine walk with the Lord where he literally directs our steps during the day and we’re literally guided in that direction, but you had to be trained in the message of the cross. You had to be crucified with Christ. You have to go through the sufferings that are in Jesus Christ in order to hear the Holy Spirit enough to be told what to do and to be surrendered. Most of us be running off with the ministry or we go build a church. Any of things.
So, again, our main point here is that it’s a one-on-one man-on man. You’re wrestling with God and man; you’re wrestling with your own sin. This is an interaction that is intense, that is very direct, and that involves a great deal of concentration order to be accomplished. This isn’t just passing out some tracks and doing some things.
Timothy: This is what discipleship is about. You can go make believers any other way. You can market the church and that’s exactly what the little Christian fish symbol is dead.
Timothy: It’s been descaled gutted.
Jacob: Sure, it’s from what it originally was, right?
Timothy: Oh, yeah that thing born out of persecution and the need to identify with those that are willing to remain faithful in Jesus. So, we’ve got to get rid of that dead Christian cross or fish today. So, I’ve got something on the website that it’s a suggestion. Use it or not use it, but it’s discipleship spilled out with a cross at the top of D. And then, there’s those certain fundamental things that go along with what that means and we’ll cover more on that in detail later on in incoming podcast. So, knowledge puffs up but love builds up and that’s what we’re trying to avoid here is just getting all puffed up and a bunch of knowledge.
Timothy: Jacob, why don’t you go and play the believer video there.
Believer Video: You’re listening to the Consider Podcast where the believer is separated from the disciple. Jesus did not say, “Go make believers”, after all, even the demons believe but are still little devils. The apostle James wrote it this way. “You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that and shutter”. (James 2 verse 19). As recorded in the New Testament, Jesus declared in the heavens the command to baptize obeying disciples.” Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you”. (Matthew 28 verse 19 & 20). For more information on what it means to be a saved disciple who is following Jesus. You can read the book “Even the Demons Believe” by Timothy Williams. Or listen in on the considered podcast. In short, there is no salvation for a believer. But there is abundant life for disciples of Jesus that are picking up their cross. Hating their own life denying self and following the Holy Spirit. The Consider Podcast. Examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities. www.consider.info.
Timothy: We have a lot of these. I call them consider points just as reminders of exactly what we’re looking at. Because we’re building a foundation here. So, we have to remember what we laid as a foundation over here and what we’re building on and so on. So, we’re going to go back to these things and these are refreshers to. Well, Jacob you can put in there anytime you want to at any point in time. Just to remind us what we’re looking for. So, in Ecclesiastes chapter 7 verse 25, that’s what this podcast is about. I’ll just read the first part of it. It says, “So I turn my mind to understand to investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly”.
We’re going to be looking at a whole host of things that are going on in the world, things that are going on in the church, things that could be going our own personal life. So, we’re going to just search out the scheme of things and what’s going on today in our culture and how to prepare ourselves to stand with what’s coming. Because there’s some serious betrayal that’s coming Jesus warned us a long time ago there is a delusional Christianity that’s being lived. Those people are going to be shaken to the core and they’re not going to know what hit them, because they have no understanding at all of what the message of the cross is about. Then we’ve got the madness in the judicial system, we’ve got the filing, the entertainment system. We’re going to look at this and examine all of this in the future. I am not sure how deep we’ll go with it, but enough that people understand what we’re talking about. Like I said, we’re all going to be offended one way or another.
Timothy: Jacob, why don’t you go ahead and play the theme song, because we have a theme song that goes along with this podcast.
Jacob: I see just the audio one or eventually we’ll play the video one.
Timothy: It’s video.
Jacob: Oh, okay. Is it? Oh, okay.
Theme song [16:06]:
♪♫ Nothing is new under the sun. All that you’ve been and all you’ve become. Often, we grow or we come undone. Let loose to folly, chase at the wisdom. What will and what has been wisdom or madness like chasing after the wind. Follow your mind like a thought blowing through the breeze with all that remains. Today’s events, Paulorrow’s realities. Follow your mind into wisdom. Just so you can understand. Or follow once more into madness. And watch it slip from your hand. What will be, what has been, wisdom or madness like chasing after the wind. Follow your mind like a thought blowing through the breeze. Today’s events are Paulorrow’s reality. Paulorrow’s reality, Paulorrow’s reality. ♪♫
Timothy: God has determined what’s going to happen and it’s going to happen one way or another. And all of our fretting and worrying or anticipation or trying to outguess him is not really going to cut it. Everything about the Consider Podcast really is first Corinthians 2:2. We’ll begin here, we’ll stick here and we’ll come back to it again and again and again. Paul says, “For our resolve to know nothing. Think about nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified”. We’re going to talk about the crucified life. We’re going to point to Jesus Christ being crucified and then we will see everything clearly as God gives that insight to what’s going on around us. And what we should be excited about, what we should not be excited about and we have to understand that in Deuteronomy 28:28, God promised that if the people that claim to love him turn their back on him says, “The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind”.
I know everybody’s whining about the world and how mad it is, how crazy is. But it’s the church that’s being judged first. I mean we’ve got ridiculous stuff going on. The Supreme Court comes along and says, Christian coach, by the and I’m using Christian different than most people do. You can go to the website and look for the definition of Christian. When I talk about true disciples, I mean the word disciple. When I talk about true believers, I’m using the word disciple. When I say Christian, I mean Christianity as it now stands in its religious form at the moment but anyway, everybody’s all excited thinking we got this great victory that we can pray our prayers at the end of the football field before after the game. That’s madness. That’s complete folly. It’s really Satan throwing a dog bone at us and everybody being sidetracked about something that’s not even irrelevant.
First of all, let’s just think about that for a moment. Okay, so then do we want some other religion praying at the end of the field or those who worship Satan praying at the end of the field?
Jacob: Now, when you talk about because for these people and I get what you’re saying as far as. Like, oh my goodness, we got this amazing win it’s kind of like the Titanic is going down and it’s like, hooray, we launched a lifeboat and that’s not even like a good example. But it’s like what are you talking about. You’re going to die; the Titanic is on its way down and you’re like patting each other on the back that you launched a lifeboat. Is that a decent analogy to even what you’re talking about?
Timothy: Oh, that’s a perfect analogy.
Jacob: Yeah, but okay, so let me ask you this though. How does it work when I think the disciples come to Jesus’ right, and they’re like oh so was casting out demons and we told them to stop. First off, it’s a completely different level casting out demons and praying at school, right? But even as disciples, how do you discern when to, you know what I mean? I don’t know. Is some Christianity better than no Christianity?
Timothy: Well, you’re asking two or three different questions. How do you discern? Well, by hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ, that’s how the disciples came to understand, oh, I shouldn’t be rebuking somebody else casting out demons.
Timothy: What we today’s church would do is run out with a principle saying oh never criticize never do that. Except in Acts, of course there was a demon going around saying that Paul was preaching the message of the new life. And so, if he did taken literally in this kind of principle concept called Christianity. He would have said, well she’s pointing to Jesus Christ, so I shouldn’t say anything.
Timothy: Now he rebukes the demon the demon comes out and then of course he’s persecuted because it dealt with money. What Jesus is dealing there of course with these guys is the exclusive attitude that we’re the only one’s kind of routine. I’ve been accused of thinking to myself. It doesn’t even in my mind. It’s a dumb thing to even come up with or to consider but the point being there is there some good. Only God can sort that out. What we’re going to do here is look at the full message.
Timothy: And let’s say that somebody is involved in all of this murky impure Christianity that’s going on out there. Well, if they really love the Lord, they’re going to repent they’re going to give it up as we look at the full message.
Timothy: So, well in a weird kind of way the football thing for example.
Jacob: Oh, I see how that would be so impure in the sense that wait a minute you’ve got, they say, oh I’m a Christian. You’ve got these boys who are pretty much worshiping the game of football, right?
Jacob: The very fact unfortunately. I mean it the very fact that they’re in a public school and of all the things to fight for a prayer at, I do get, I even now I’m like oh yeah, I mean that’s like super weak, right? Like Jesus is talking about making disciples and everyone’s attention is all wrapped up to march into the Supreme Court and all we want is a prayer at the end of our total worldly fleshly entertainment really.
Timothy: Correct. It’s on a Sunday probably number one. Aren’t most of those games?
Jacob: High school actually isn’t.
Jacob: That’s because everyone’s too busy watching the NFL on Sunday.
Timothy: Sundays. Okay.
Jacob: So, it’s like Friday or Saturday. But I see your point there. I mean it’s in a tiny bit of that point which is it is crazy. It’s absolutely madness that the Christianity in America is boiled down to, oh my goodness we get to. And it’s probably like the shortest prayer ever. The prayer is probably like, Lord thank you for helping us win this game. I don’t know.
Timothy: Oh, yeah. I mean we’ll be here all day long.
Jacob: I know but if we were there, you’d probably be rolling on the ground at whatever the prayer was.
Timothy: Oh, it’s insane that God would even be concerned whether we win a game or not.
Jacob: Or I don’t, you know what I mean though. Even the prayer that is there is got to be the most worst watered down prayer at all. Like why are we bothering.
Timothy: Yeah, you’re on marked graves. Nobody’s paying attention anyway. It’s like yeah there’s Christians praying. Let me tell you what would have been a victory.
Timothy: The Supreme Court saying and defending the right of Christians to speak up in class to declare their faith in doing math problems or saying no that this is wrong. Let there be a diversity of opinion where everybody can share their ideas without fear of being expelled or being persecuted, harass, in any way. That would have been a victory. And then every Christian, well, every true disciple of Jesus could’ve called for repentance. It’s been a different thing of a group of disciples at the end of the end zone or whatever is called down there.
Timothy: Calling for everybody to repent to go home and clean up their lives and get rid of the entertainment and watch no football on Sunday and wind up in church denying self, picking up your cross, and following Jesus. So, again, to repeat, if the Supreme Court would have actually defended the right for everybody to voice their opinion. I mean everybody. That’s a victory.
Timothy: This is just Satan inflaming the hatred. There’s no common ground that could even come to. I mean, look, when I first got started preaching, the gay issue was just getting started and they wanted to debate me. And just to show you how far things have come along and I said, sure. I’ll be glad, I was on a college campus and going over there to share a gospel and so we ran and I’ve had great conversations with individuals that now call themselves gay until the state started getting in, and until the government came in and took one side and begin to crush the disciples of Jesus to keep them from speaking.
Timothy: Anyway, they wanted to debate me. I agreed. The condition was that they wanted to speak from behind the curtain. So, I’d been up on stage and they’d have been behind the curtain.
Timothy: Well, that’s how much things have changed. Now, I’d have to hide out just for safety’s sake if it even were happening and they’d be out in front marching and parading. So, things have definitely changed a lot.
Jacob: Changed and shifted a lot.
Timothy: Yep. So, the victory would have been if we’d been allowed to everybody allowed to speak and everybody allowed to make their point. But that’s not what the Supreme Court is doing.
Timothy: Supreme Court isn’t doing everything possible to inflame the hatred between one another, and we’re going to have to learn to walk on water when it comes to that stuff.
Outro: This has been the Consider Podcast at www.consider.info where yesterday’s folly is today’s madness. In the beginning, the unrepentant sinners words are folly. At the end, they are wicked madness. Ecclesiastes 10:13. Judgement begins with the house of God. Therefore, let everyone who loves the Lord with an undying love pick up their cross and walk the talk. As Peter the wrote. “Therefore, prepare your minds for action. Be self-controlled”. First Peter 1:13-14. The Considered Podcast, examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities. www.consider.info.
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