Jacob: Sons, slaves and friends. Let’s listen to Timothy as he continues to talk about the differences and which one, you’re going to be.
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Timothy: People are still enslaved to their sins. They’re enslaved to family. They’re enslaved to taking oaths to the government. They’re enslaved to this world. They’re enslaved to entertainment. They’re enslaved to getting attention like the world does. You just go down the list. They’re not free. I don’t see a free people that are walking above all these things. Resisting evil. They’ll study it. They’ll talk about it. They’ll examine it, but they’re not free to overcome and they’re not free to engage in true battle for Jesus Christ. He sees deeper into their own hearts.
We’re going to get into a passage here in just a second. We’re going to go drop down here one more. Because what happens is many times by the Holy Spirit especially as I’m talking to people. I’ll make a point about a sin in their life and just how bad it is and what they’re going to do. And it looks like it’s an exaggerated statement. But it’s not. Faith can see by the power of the Holy Spirit where a certain sin will wind up going. Jesus said, if you’re angry with a brother or really, if you’re angry with anybody, you’ve committed murder. But if I turn to somebody and said, you just murdered or you will murder or you will become a murderer, they would think I’m crazy. But Jesus Christ sees what’s going on and he understands and points out to them.
He says in John 8:37, he meets the truth. “I know you are Abraham’s descendants”. You belong to the truth, you’ve joined the church, you go to the First church of the first church or the first church in town. You’ve been a member for years. You pray. I know you do all these things.
Jacob: Study the Bible.
Timothy: Study the Bible.
Jacob: A huge one out there is like if you believe in Jesus and then obviously you go to church and then of course if you read the Bible, you got to read that Bible. Just keep reading it and somehow and you know what I mean? People put a lot of stock and just because you read the Bible you are like saved.
Timothy: That’s a very good point. Let me look that up and bring let’s see.
Jacob: But I was just, because that’s what the Pharisees did right? They knew all, well they had their versions of the law. But certainly, the law of Moses, that was the Bible back then, right? That was the word of God and they sat and they studied it and they memorized it.
Jacob: I don’t know a lot of the Jewish traditions. But they had all, they had oh over the scrolls, right? I mean they put them in their head. They would go through great links for God’s word. And that’s another big one out there right now, right? The word of God. the word of God, the word of God, but it’s not doing any good.
Timothy: Well not to mention who was it that crucified Jesus? Those who study the scriptures.
Jacob: Yeah, these people.
Timothy: Exactly. So that’s the problem is that and the reason people do it is because Bible study creates deception. In James chapter 1 verse 22 says, “Do not merely listen to the word and so deceive yourselves”. The reason why people like to study the Bible so much is they can deceive themselves. It gives us a sense of spirituality. We can tell ourselves, oh I’m really seeking God. The major is whether we do what it says and everything about the Consider Podcast is to do what it says and people complain all the time. I’ll show them a scripture and the wine about that scripture.
Look, if you’re going to whine about a scripture, if you’re going to be upset about something that I’ve said or scripture I pointed to don’t just come to me and say, well, that’s not what it says or that’s not what it means. If you’re going to do that, then tell me what does it mean, how do you live it and how does it come out in your life. That’s why so many discernment groups well really all of them are worthless. All they do is sit around and complain and look for little things they can twist around to get out of actually doing anything. If you’ll notice they never stayed on there, well, this is how you live it, this is how you it. They only criticize and they only whine about what somebody else is saying or to their darkened enlightenment. They can’t understand what’s going on. They’re slave Christians. All they do is try to warn people to stay away.
If somebody’s going to set themselves up as judge or set themselves up to criticize or to come in on something then come to me with how it should be obeyed, how you have obeyed it, and how your church obeys it. I want to know how to obey things. I’m not here just to talk about them. I want to know how do we do this? How do we live this? How does it come out in our lives? If they’re not willing to do that, they really have absolutely nothing to say like zero.
Jacob: I’ll just use a little analogy, so it’s been really hot lately, right? And I just like a few flowers but when it’s really hot, the soil dries out really fast and then when you water it, the dirt sucks at the water even faster than if it’s cooler out. And because the dirt can hold more moisture and I was just, you know that the scripture in Psalms about Selah. He talks about a parched land. And so, even what you’re talking about here with the different scriptures that you’re bringing up. Like someone who really is thirsting after God, they’re really going to be soaking it up. And just like you’re saying, you’re either a slave or a son and if you’re a slave you’re going to be like, I don’t like this right. And if you’re a son or even have the heart to be a son, you’re going to be soaking all of this stuff up really fast.
Timothy: Amen to that. When we approach scripture, it’s from hunger and thirst and you put a hungry man down at the table. You put a thirsty man. He’s not going to want to sit there and talk about what’s on the table. He wants to devour the food. I don’t have time to sit there. Commentaries, one of their biggest words I use is the word “but”. You can read, but it doesn’t mean this or, but you don’t have to really lose this or, but Jesus didn’t mean this. So, commentaries, there used to be a joke when I was really young in the Lord that, if you want to lose your faith, you just go to Bible College. It’s because the biggest thing they talk about is the word “but”. But we don’t have to do this or but we don’t know that. We don’t know what this means.
In other words, we could talk all day long about Selah and what it means. Well, just pause. Just contemplate the word Selah and what it means. Nobody wants to actually do any and the reason why 8:37, let’s look at it again. “I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me”. And did they say anything about killing Jesus?
Timothy: They surely thought at this point he literally was out of his mind. In fact, they’re going to whine in a moment. Go what, there is somebody trying to kill you. He sees what is in their heart, he knows what’s coming. I remember one time very early I know about 20 years ago preaching to a congregation, answering some questions afterwards and somebody blurred out and they said, ‘You’re lucky to still be alive.’ And it took me back for just a second. It had nothing to do about what we were talking about, but it was a rare moment of somebody being honest and true in their heart that that hatred there toward what Jesus has to say, that opposition that wants to crucify and kill Jesus all over again.
The simple nature cannot and will not submit to God’s word. So, it goes to talking, it goes to praying, it goes to all kind, it goes to delusional Christianity and it will persecute or prosecute anybody that comes along with the true message just as Jesus was persecuted and prosecuted. John 8:37, “I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me”. And the reason they’re ready to kill him. Take note of that and highlight it for a moment. I’m going to give you the reason why really Jesus is going to tell you why they’re ready to kill you. Anyone actually, whatever scripture we’re looking at here if they don’t come back me or you and say, oh, this is how I live it and this is how we ought to live it. There’s only one other option. They’re going to want to kill you.
Given the opportunity, they will persecute, they will come after you if God doesn’t hold them back. The reason why, “Yet you are ready to kill me”, because you have no room for my word. No room. The biggest way to get rid of anybody that’s kind of bugging you, quote scripture. They’re going to take off. Short of the person that just likes to debate and think they can take you down which is rare and few and far between. There are so many times I share with people and in the minute, the minute I get started with the scripture that really does penetrate by the Holy Spirit, they’re ready to move on because there’s just no room for what’s being said. The anger comes in, the reality comes in, and then they want to kill.
John 8:38. “I’m telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father”. Oh, he drives it home. He’s going to drive it home. Those filled with the Holy Spirit, those preaching the gospel without any regard for themselves will tell other people the truth no matter the cost. John 8:39, “Abraham is our father,” they answered”. No, they’re in a heated debate at this point. “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “Then what would you do?” You would do you would do the things Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me. A man who has told you the truth that I heard from God”. Everything comes down to this. It’s a truth that we have to hear from God that we repeat to other people.
I don’t mean God comes along, enlightens you, and then you’re enlightened so then in your effort and in your strength and in your Bible wisdom, you go out and share it. That’s not what Jesus shows, that’s not the crucified life. It means God enlightens us about what the truth is, crucifies our flesh that would actually share or preach that truth, and we only live by the new creation in the preaching of that truth. All down through history there’s records of religious men who have burned people at the stake who have persecuted them. Why? Because “They took the truth,’ and I’m putting that in quotes, “And went after other people”. They tried to protolyze or to preach in their own effort in their own flesh and design. They marketed the gospel. And the result was they went after true Christians and persecuted them. “You’re determined to kill me”. Determined to kill me. Comes Adam. He’s not hiding from it. He’s clear. He hammers it home. A man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. Abraham was a man of faith. Jacob let’s go ahead and do a Selah moment.
Timothy: Let’s go to John 12:25. Honing in on the message of the cross. Jesus is getting ready to go be crucified. He’s walked the disciples up to this point. The people really becoming disciples are seeing what is happening. They’re going to see him crucified. Remember we’re to walk as Jesus walked. In John 12:25, Jesus said “The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life”. This is the resolving to know nothing but Jesus Christ and him crucified. We’ll come back to this scripture also and explore it in greater depth in the coming time.
You have to hate your life and this doesn’t mean that you hate life. You hate your life. You hate when you get up. You hate when you go to sleep. You hate what you eat. You hate everything and everyone around you. That seems to be harsh or confusing. Well, hang on and get before God and contemplate what he’s saying. The point is you have to hate it, because it’s sinful it’s wicked. If you expect to be able to love other people with God’s love you have to first hate our human love that is tainted impure and sinful in order to have the pure love of God. Jesus Christ lived a life of love and we have to live a life of love. And how did Jesus live a life of love by hating his own life in this world.
John 12:26, “Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am my servant also will be. My father will honor the one who serves me”. You hate your life, where you go, what you do, all the things that involve your life, your car, you hate your money, you despise the dollar, on and on I could go and we won’t have time to explore it today. In John 12:27, the very next verse, this is the cross that is troubling. Probably the words I just said to most people will be extremely troubling. What does he mean by this? How can we possibly hate our own life? How can we hate our own family? How can we despise the dollar? The anger, the frustration, the confusion becomes huge at this point.
In John 12:27, Jesus says, “Now my heart is troubled”. This is a troubling message. It will shake our life to the core. It will cause us to recoil back and go, God, is this really what you mean? Is this really the good news? Even Jesus said, “Now my heart is troubled, And what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour.’ Save me from the cross. Save me from being crucified to self. ‘No, it was for this very reason that came.’ And this is the goal. This is what God’s trying to work.
John 12 28. “Father, glorify your name”. God is looking for selfless lovers of God. We see people all the time that love God for what they can get from God. The reason God, one reason anyway, God brings about suffering in our life. One reason that he wants to put the cross in our life. He’s trying to cleanse us and move us forward so that we love God for only God, not what we can get from him. That is a life of love.
So, let’s go back to John chapter 15 and I’m bringing it up now. And look at this life of love. Realize that a life of true love in Jesus Christ comes from John 12:25. You have to hate your own life. You have to discover the pain and the suffering and the offense of the cross in order to truly honestly love other people with God’s love. John 15:8, “This is to my father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be what?” Believers? No. “Showing yourself to be disciples”. A constant growing in obedience. Learning to obey as Jesus did through suffering as Hebrews tells us.
John 15:9, “As the father has loved me, so I have loved you. Now remain in my love”. You have to remain. Once again those that believe they’re just saved or once saved, always saved, or always going to be saved or whatever’s going on. This doesn’t mean anything. There’s no and trembling in what Jesus is saying. Jesus is warning and saying, “Remain in my love”. He goes you have to remain there. And the reason why he’s warning them is because it involves the message of the cross. You have to go all the way on to be crucified with Christ if you expect to be resurrected with Christ.
John 15:10, “If”, there is that if again. It’s all through scripture. “If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love”. You have to be a disciple, remain a disciple, and constantly be following Jesus. I’m accused all the time of people just following a man then they’re not doing what I’m telling them. If you get before God, you hate your own life. You pick up your cross and you follow Jesus Christ. There’s no possible way you can follow me. None, zero. I can’t even begin to guide your own life in what Jesus Christ made me do, because I’m too busy for one thing trying to figure out my own life, working out my own salvation with fear and with trembling. “If you obey my command, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my father’s command and remain in his love”.
Jesus Christ is tying what together. What is he tying together there, Jacob? What is it you have to do to remain in God’s love?
Jacob: You have to obey his commands.
Timothy: And the more a man obeys, the more he’s going to sense the love of God. It’s that simple. People don’t want to obey because they love their own life. They want a delusional Christianity. They want to just be slaves in God’s household. I mean, a slave that’s treated well, eats well as a protection comfort of the master’s house. Think about it if I were a slave in the house of God that’s not too bad a position if all I was concerned with is my own comfort. I’d go for it and be being a slave and say a pagan’s home or something like that. So, a lot of people are just content with that. They have no desire to really be like Jesus Christ to pick up their cross and lose their life and they don’t have a permanent place in the household.
John 15:11, “I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete”. There’s a lot of suffering in Jesus Christ. Scripture is very clear on that. It is only as we go to that cross that we get a joy from the Holy Spirit. Not a joy that comes from sermons, not a joy that comes from a little scripture on your coffee cup. A joy that in spite of the suffering or through the sufferings or being crucified with Christ, the joy becomes complete because God gives the joy. If you’re experiencing a joy, you can produce or a joy that doesn’t have the sufferings of the cross at the same time, you are a slave, Christian. This isn’t just enjoying the household.
John 15:12, “My command is this: love each other as I have loved you”. It has to be as Jesus did by obedience. And then we hear this scripture quoted all the time. “Greater love has no one than this, that they lay down his life for his friends”. “You are my friends if you do what I command”. We go from a slave Christian to a friend Christian only when we obey the command, the command to love. And how do we come to a place that we can love one another? We have to hate our own life, we have to deny ourself, we have to pick up our cross, and follow Jesus Christ through all the sufferings that he’ll bring to our life. That’s the only way.
It takes suffering for me to love my neighbor. It takes suffering to hate and despise money. It also takes a lot of faith but you have to go through that process and all the struggles we’ve been looking for in order to really be able to love one another and there’s a joy that’s given. Jacob, would you say I’m a depressed overdrawn person without any joy?
Jacob: No, not at all. You’re not a self-loathing melancholy person.
Timothy: Not at all. There’s a lot of life, there’s a lot of humor, there’s a lot of fun joy and those definitions please don’t define them in some kind of worldly fashion. But people would be surprised just how much joy there is. And by all rights I shouldn’t be happy. If I laid down the things that it quote unquote has cost me to follow Jesus Christ and all the things I’m currently going through, I shouldn’t be happy. But my joy doesn’t come from the world, it doesn’t come from outside. It doesn’t even come from church service. It doesn’t come from me picking and choosing what scripture I want to look at. It comes from the Holy Spirit, because I strive, I hunger and thirst, I beat my body to make my slave, I go through the hard process and so God gives me his joy. It’s that simple. Sounding anyway, but picking up a cross and doing it most people don’t seem to really want.
John 15:14, We go from a slave Christian to a true Christian to a friend of God only when we obey”. By where to walk into a church or see someone as a Christian. All I got to do is see how much of all the scriptures do they actually obey what is God able to work into their life and that tells me whether they’re a slave Christian or whether they’re a friend Christian.
John 15:15, “I no longer call you servants”. How do we go again from being a slave Christian to being a friend? Jesus tells us, “I no longer call you servants because a servant does not know his master’s business”. If you’re listening to this podcast, you’re going, I’m bored. I understand all this. Yeah, I’ve been living it for years. It’s very clear. I’ve been doing it to other people. He’s not saying anything new. This is just basic elementary baby stuff, then you’re probably a friend Christian. You probably belong to Jesus Christ. If all of this seems the opposite of Christianity or you’re even hostile to it, you’re not a friend. You’re a servant who does not understand really what the master is about, and we’ll see this pretty clear as we move on.
For instance, the pro-life movement. Everybody’s all excited about Roe versus Wade being dented and they think that God’s answered some prayers. He hasn’t. They don’t really understand what he’s about because the victory was not won by a message of the cross. It was not won by calling for repentance. It was one through legal means in order to come to some type of generic like, oh you can change too or you can become prolife or we can win this thing through legislative process. We haven’t won anything. This was not where God was answering prayer. This is Satan knows the right moment. The exact moment to stir up division.
All this has happened is this thing has gone out to all the states now and everybody’s going to be fighting each other more and more. Because the message cross is not going out clear, this is not a victory that comes from God. It’s some type of mess that’s going to create hatred among different individuals. “Instead, I have called you friends for everything that I learned from my father, I have made known to you”. How well you understand how obedient you are to that you do understand means that you become a friend of God because you understand really what God is up to. When you look at all these Christian websites especially the ones that report the news or ministry actions. You don’t find the offensive message of the cross. For one thing it would drive away members. There’s not a call to repentance. There’s not a call to people being changed. There’s not the offense of the cross. We try to whisper them into the kingdom. There is no such thing. We’re either out there or we’re not.
John 15:16, “You did not choose me, but I choose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last”. So much of what’s going on because it’s being done by slave Christians is not fruit that will Paul warns that be careful what you’re doing because if it’s not really of God, you might, you might get saved. But you’re going to smell like smoke you’re barely going to get in everything’s going to be burned up.
John 15:17, “This is my command: love each other”. We’ll look at how the first church loved each other and then you tell me whether your church loves that way or not walking in the light, having all things in common, laying down their lives. I mean really not just talk but actually laying down the life. No one claiming their possessions of their own. But of course not, this is liable to be persecuted. People aren’t going to like what they’re hearing here. Jesus goes on to warn them
John 15 18, “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first”. The message of the cross is hated. The slave Christian message is pretty much embraced by a large group of people. In fact, a worldwide group of people. It’s one of the largest religions in the world is Christianity, because it’s simply a slave Christianity that’s being preached. They’re not really friends of God. They don’t understand what he’s up to and so you find all this impurity and doctrine and concepts and ideas that don’t produce fruit.
John 15 19, “If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you”. We have to keep in mind that if you’re a slave Christian, you’ll be embraced by your own group because you’re still part of the world. “Remember the words I spoke to you; ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obey my teaching, they will obey yours also”. It’s kind of ironic that there’s a lot of slander, lie, persecution that has come my way. And some people will stay away. They are not going to fellowship or come close. Yet that’s one of the first signs that you may be right with God.
Now not everybody that’s persecuted or everybody that’s slandered is of God. But I can tell you this. Everybody that is of God will be persecuted will be slandered will be lied about and you’ll have to get past that in order to fellowship. The best way really, the best way to really, I’m not trying to convince you who I am or who I am not or whatever. If you want to understand what I’m telling you is you go this. You will begin to experience it. And then you’ll know the truth, and the truth will set you free. You’ll know what’s going on.
John 15 21, “They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me”. Did not Jesus say that in times he’ll turn to him. They’ll say when did we see you hungry and we cast out demons and you walked in our city. He’ll tell them plainly at that point, “I do not know you”.
Outro: This has been the Consider Podcast at www.consider.info where yesterday’s folly is today’s madness. In the beginning, the unrepentant sinners words are folly. At the end, they are wicked madness. Ecclesiastes 10:13. Judgement begins with the house of God. Therefore, let everyone who loves the Lord with an undying love pick up their cross and walk the talk. As Peter the wrote. “Therefore, prepare your minds for action. Be self-controlled”. First Peter 1:13-14. The Considered Podcast, examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities. www.consider.info.
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