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Intro: Welcome to the Consider Podcast where we turn our minds to consider wisdom, madness and folly. Join the host Timothy and Jacob on a quest to have God enlighten the mind according to verse 25 of Ecclesiastes chapter 7. So, I turned my mind to understand. To investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly. Ecclesiastes 7:25. The Consider Podcast examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities at www.consider.info.
Timothy: How’s it going Jacob?
Jacob: It’s going good.
Timothy: We’re going to continue to talk about wisdom. So let me ask you a question Jacob. Always like putting you on the spot a little bit. Of course, you kind of get even somewhere during the day so I got to watch out. But what is exactly wisdom?
Jacob: Well wisdom comes from God, we know that. Wisdom is described as a person or a being or get wisdom. And so, wisdom is it’s almost like a gut reaction is like the opposite of us. Whatever you think, wisdom is probably like the opposite. It’s going to dictate otherwise.
Timothy: You went deep. You almost did a sermon there at a pass a plate. Wisdom is the, and you’re correct on everything so don’t take that, that’s actually good. Wisdom is the when and the how of knowledge. Scripture says that we all possess knowledge, and that’s really true. Get knowledge at school. There’s a lot of brilliant minds that have a lot of knowledge, but no wisdom. And so, wisdom and wisdom comes from God and we’re talking about how to get that. So, what wisdom does it takes the knowledge of God or the knowledge of the world or God’s created and everything and it knows when to apply a certain wisdom and it knows how to apply that particular knowledge.
I kind of messed it up again. It has to do with wisdom knows when to take a certain piece of knowledge whether it’s a knowledge of scripture or whatever and knows when to apply it, when not to apply it, and then how to apply it in what manner. I remember when I was in college well before God had me drop out. And by the way when looking back on that it if I had dropped out when God told me to. I’d have probably spared myself two other years of college.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: But I was so young in the Lord that I wasn’t sure I was hearing from God and of course family and friends pretty much just didn’t look good on that. They thought I was pretty much being lazy and whatever, and I had to question why am I being lazy or whatever. Anyway, eventually dropped out. But one of the classes I was taking was a basic psychology class. And the teacher was explaining about a psychologist that she knew, and he went to college had all these degrees. I mean he’s one of these people you’ve heard about who really love just going to college and so they kept mounting up all kinds of degrees. He took explicit notes. They were really put together well. Unfortunately, all of his knowledge was in the notes, and you can tell this is not going to end well.
In other words, he couldn’t really retain anything without the notes. He had no wisdom that was associated with that and you see a lot of that. You see in scientists and other people they look up at the stars in the universe and they have the knowledge of all the stars and maybe some they see in the universe, but no wisdom about who created it or anything like that. They’re really just kind of as dumb as anybody else. Anyway, the guy that took the notes that was the professor and all of that was in England. He was taking a ship across the Atlantic, I believe to go to New York and you guess that the ship went down and his notes went down. He survived, but he was as dumb as you could be. He couldn’t take any of that knowledge and put it out or retain it.
So, knowledge is and I’m saying that worthless, but knowledge is a basic fundamental understanding of concepts whether be of God or the world or whatever. Wisdom then knows from the Lord how that should be applied. We see that in churches all the time. Meaning, people claim to be Christian and they’re just applying scripture here and there and you walk away going, there’s just something wrong there, there’s just no wisdom about what they’re doing or they’re picking and choosing for their flesh and what they want to apply. But there’s no wisdom about the application. You know what I’m saying?
Jacob: Oh yeah, absolutely. Nowadays so many Christians, there’s this push, read your Bible, read your Bible, read your Bible. So, you read the Bible and that’s where we’ve had many discussions where if you go in there and cherry pick the verses that you want to live, or usually it’s to justify somebody’s decision in something, right? And it’s so easy. So, we do this too as far as like different stories in the Old Testament, scriptures that Paul talks about in the New Testament and then the wisdom that Comes from God is how this all comes together. But so many people at the very very very best, you would say that they’re just reading scripture and then doing what they want with. They’re applying it to their life how they want.
Timothy: And then it’s no mystery when things kind of go south or their life is just unsettled. There’s no real peace.
Jacob: There’s no peace or it doesn’t last, right?
Timothy: Correct.
Jacob: You’re, like they especially like they become a Christian. Okay, I’m going to repent. I’m going to give up my old ways. I’m going to read the Bible, so but it doesn’t last. There’s not a true wisdom from God. It’s just sort of ink on paper.
Timothy: Yeah, where people especially believe God’s calling to go somewhere, do something, or buy something or marry somebody or whatever and then it doesn’t work out. Mm hmm. And they were just simply applying the knowledge of the world and the Bible and scriptures and principles and whatever.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: And going, okay yeah, that’s where I’m going to head and I prayed about it and all of that. There’s nothing from the Lord.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: Because they don’t hate their own life fall to the ground and die. They don’t have a clue on they’re not hearing from God how it should be applied.
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: Wisdom is known for its accomplishments. It’s by wisdom that the universe is created. We don’t have time to go through it but as you read through wisdom, you see something that accomplishes things that are good and powerful. Wisdom also understands the time and the season with which things applied. Look at Ecclesiastes 3:1. I want to say was the turtles who did this song and made it famous. But Ecclesiastes three one says, “There is a time for everything and a season for every activity under heaven.” So, there’s a set time. In other words, if I came along and said, hey, let’s start the universe. Somebody goes, well, that’s already happened. That’s right. There’s a time and a season for everything. And when we don’t hate our own life. We’re just living for Jesus under our own knowledge. Which we already know is disasters in the Garden of Eden is proof of that fact.
So, you find sinful corrupt nature living out scripture and no wonder things become a terrible mess or false revivals break out or the pastors or leaders fall into massive sin is because they are applying scripture. They’re not willing to let God crucify their flesh and their sin and all the other loves life. They’re not willing to hate those loves no matter what they are. So, they’re not empowered by God. They’re not strengthened by God. They don’t know how things should live. Or how it should be put forth. Jacob, go ahead and scroll up and bring up John 12 verse 49. Jesus obviously being the epiPaule of wisdom and knowledge he is the God head. Look at what he says about sharing the gospel. And you can ask yourself as you look at this, well, how often do I see this in other people. And you don’t.
Everybody just does their own thing it’s the book of Judges where everybody does as they see fit and it’s no wonder it’s called “The Book of Judges”. They were always following under judgement because they were doing quote sometimes Godly things but just as everybody saw fit there was no unit there was no real power. So, in the same way today we look around the church. Everybody’s just doing their thing. And God’s not able to bring together any unity. He’s not able to combine the heart so that they are one in mind and heart. When John 12 verse 49, it says Jesus says, “For I did not speak on my own accord.” When a man is dead to himself it is God or the Holy Spirit speaking through him.
Now the only way that can really happen is you really have to hate your own life. You have to give up everything and carry your cross. But look at what else he says. “For I did not speak on my own accord, but the father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.” So, you’re not teachable to be commanded by God. If that pride and flesh and religious zeal has not been crucified. When God comes along to work his scriptures the way that he wants them preach and the way that he wants it put out, you’re not going to be able to hear from. He’s not even able to talk to you because there’s just too much flesh there. But notice the two things, God commands what to say and how to say it. Any thoughts on that Jacob?
Jacob: When’s the last time, the church is today, right? Where we should preach the gospel. We should be sharing with people, right? They’ve got they’ve got these but it’s so backwards because you have these sorts of generic tracks that you should pass out to everybody. But when’s the last time anybody has really said, okay, when we’re even talking generically, right? About sharing “the gospel”. Then when’s the last time they were like share the gospel. But you also need to be listening to Holy Spirit on how to share the gospel. Because if you look at Jesus’s life, he was all over the place. He’s healing some people. He’s rebuke in some people, because he heard exactly what the scripture is. He knew what to say and how to say it and that concept is completely lost within the church. At the very best, it’s a total cookie cutter. This is the gospel. Ask Jesus in your heart blah blah blah.
Timothy: Amen. You’re correct and what happens is you in a shutter to watch it, you wind up rebuking people that shouldn’t be rebuked and you wind up compromising with the people that you shouldn’t compromise with. Because you’re just using our own judgment. And anytime you use a sinful nature to judge anything or evaluate anything, you’re going to come out wrong. Yeah. It is never going to come out correct. And everybody likes to reduce everything down to a what Jacob?
Jacob: Ask Jesus in your heart.
Timothy: Or yes, a salvation issue.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: It’s always, well, it’s not a salvation issue or I guess there’s only what? Two things that are salvation issue? Ask Jesus in your heart and that’s pretty much it. I don’t really know because it’s nonsense. Look at what Jesus says. Pull up John Chapter 12 verse 50. We just read in verse 49 that Jesus said, “I only speak what God commands me and how to say it.” When you walk around in the day and go, man Lord, work how you want me to say this to somebody. Talk about a character change. It’s so well, I better press on. Verse 50. Jesus makes this a salvation issue. Verse 50, “I know that his command leads to why.” What’s it say, Jacob?
Jacob: Eternal life.
Timothy: That’s a salvation issue.
Jacob: Correct?
Timothy: To miss, what we’re talking about here today is to miss Jesus Christ. We’re talking at the heart here of the message of the cross, a person losing their own life, a person being able to hate their own life to pursue righteousness to hunger and thirst for that. So, you want to pray look at the wrestling here that that anybody has to go through like, God what do you want me to say and how do you want me to say it. I mean this podcast was years in the coming because he hadn’t commanded me to go do it. And I had to wait on him and the last thing you probably heard me say many times with other projects like I’m not moving forward unless I know God is commanding for Is to be done.
Jacob: Correct?
Timothy: Jesus again says. “I know that his command leads to eternal life. So, whatever I say is just what the father told me to say.” That’s one reason why I face so much persecution because I’m not just saying and mocking back what I’m reading. It’s Jesus or the Holy Spirit if I’m dead to self that speaking what I should say and how I should say it and that’s going to go out with power. It’s not either Pentecostal goes out with power or claiming you speak in tongues and so therefore you’re preaching in the power of the Holy Ghost. No, this is if I whisper it breaks bones and they may not like it. Or if I rebuke somebody it’s so dead on, they become extremely angry. So, you get a lot of persecution.
Certainly, just on a basic level. As a preacher or even fellowshipping as iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another. Let’s say two people Asking God to work what to say and how to say it and they begin to fellowship. Well then, the conversation becomes very sharp. Doesn’t it?
Jacob: It becomes very focused because both parties could care less about the only intent then is what does the father what does the Holy Spirit want done and that’s the focus. That’s it.
Timothy: That’s it. And so, there’s power in that.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: When we discuss things in the Holy Spirit meaning we’re just full of by the new nature it’s direct it can cut it can go, yeah, that’s true or not true we can get defensive. I mean we went through years and decades of that as we all attempt to deny the self. We just didn’t get up and get in a huff and leave. We continue to persevere and Jesus says, “By persevering you bear a crop.” So, the conversation is holy set apart and powerful to deal with sin. You can imagine if this happened in all of these churches out here, sin would be being dealt with. You wouldn’t be seeing hearing the news all of these massive downfalls, but they don’t live John 12:49. So, what’s the point? They eventually just going to crash and burn.
In Ecclesiastes chapter 8 verse 6, and I’ll give you a chance to kind of get there. You’re going to go through a lot of persecution, a lot of suffering against your own sin. If you’re going to wrestle against sin, that’s a life of suffering. It’s wisdom that will allow you to get through that to find life. Go ahead and read Ecclesiastes 8:6, Jacob.
Jacob: “For there is a proper time and procedure for every matter, though a man’s misery weighs heavily upon him.”
Timothy: So, even in our misery that might be weighing heavy. And you know a lot about my life. There’s been a lot of misery that weighs me down. And what that misery does is it presses in. It’s the wisdom that allows me to go through it all. All the Things that I’m either taught or growing from or being revived through. The misery doesn’t go away. It’s heavy upon the soul or the heart or even the life. But it’s the wisdom that comes from God in those situations and the proper time and procedure that allows it to be meaningful and survivable. If you want to pick up your cross and follow Jesus Christ even though it weighs heavy upon you, there is a proper time and procedure for every matter. So, it’s wisdom that strengthens us.
In Proverbs chapter 15 verse 23. It says, “A man finds joy in giving an apt reply– how good is a timely word!” We’re going to be diving into following actually how Jesus lived this out and if you’ve been offended up to this point, we haven’t even got to the offensive part as far as just giving up self. I’m not talking about offensive in terms because you say something I don’t agree with. I’m talking about an offense here that offends your flesh unto eternal life or to the new life in Christ. “So, a man finds join giving an app reply– and how good is a timely word.” There’s so many times people give a kind word when they shouldn’t give a kind word. It’s too early or they wait till it’s too late. So, enough said on that unless you was something you wanted to add to that Jacob.
Jacob: No.
Timothy: Then go ahead and read first Chronicles 20:32.
Jacob: “Men of Issachar, who understood the times and knew what Israel should do- 200 chiefs, with all their relatives under their command;”
Timothy: He understood the times in which he lived and what Israel should do that kind of wisdom comes from God in the same way we live in a different time period. It really is sad to watch people get enthralled by people who face suffering or persecution decades ago or many decades ago and they’re living in that time period in their mind they think is like a movie. You can participate in it. Right now, today, things are different than they were five years ago. Hearing from the Holy Spirit being dead enough to self to have the mind of Christ to understand, okay, this is the time in which I live and this is what I should do is a supreme blessing that comes from wisdom but how do we get wisdom? What do we been looking at so far? What’s the way to get wisdom, Jacob?
Jacob: Die to self.
Timothy: Die to self and go through the rebuke process. The only way we can die to Self is we have to respond to the rebukes that God brings to us.
Jacob: I don’t want to deviate too much, but sometimes soon almost I feel like we should do like a serious John the Baptist one. Because so many churches today like, we’ve talked about people like Billy Graham or sort of preachers from what I guess…
Timothy: Decades ago.
Jacob: 60s 70s 80s. But even that is not taught, right? Even the Billy Graham sort of fire and brimstone like repent or you’re going to hell. Like even that is not even really preached. So many Christians today, correct me if I’m wrong and everything that we’re going over, again I’m deviating. But there’s not even the foundation of clearing paths to get to the Nadal of self. I would almost want to reference like anybody listening right now, like you need to go to this episode and actually listen to that first before we get to this episode. You know what I mean?
Timothy: Oh, I pray the Lord we get to all those things and more.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: It’s the thing when I first started preaching when I was in my twenties, I’d preach and the old timers would come up to me and they’re all dead by now and say, you don’t hear this much anymore. But what I was saying wasn’t considered a foreign language.
Speaker2: Yes.
Timothy: Now, it’s a foreign language. It’s like I’m in according to all the other churches and everybody else out there. I’m in blasphemed territory. It’s not even an accepted concept.
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: So, yeah. Amen to what you said and we’ll just pray about it and see what God’s will is.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: Let me give an example of applying things a certain time and I absolutely love the contradictions in scripture. Because it confuses those who don’t really seek God. Because it’s not, they’re not contradiction and I’ll explain that here in a moment. Let’s go to Ecclesiastes chapter 8 verse 1. Wisdom is a powerful thing in a person’s life. But go read Ecclesiastes 8:1, Jacob.
Jacob: “Who is like the wise man? Who knows the explanation of things? Wisdom brightens a man’s face and changes its hard appearance.”
Timothy: So, one of the benefits of wisdom is to what? A face becomes bright, right? It’s alive. You can tell. That’s a wise man. He’s rolling. He’s going. He’s filled with God, right? So, that’s an effective wisdom, right?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: Alright. Read Ecclesiastes 7 verse 3.
Jacob: Ecclesiastes 7:3.
Timothy: Yes.
Mid Point
Jacob: “Sorrow is better than laughter because a is good for the heart.”
Timothy: Don’t we have a contradiction here?
Jacob: Yes, we do.
Timothy: If wisdom brightens a man’s face but it’s good to have a. So, Jacob today I want you to live both those scriptures because we live all scripture, don’t we?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: We live Ecclesiastes 8:1 and we live Ecclesiastes 7:3. So, I want you to walk around today with a bright face and a at the same time.
Jacob: At the same time.
Timothy: Right?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: Okay. So, you can see people, the agnostic or somebody ah it’s contradiction, contradiction. It’s not. What it amounts to is God is written on ink on paper. He has his word there. But it’s the Holy Spirit that applies it how and when. It’s only the fool that goes along and says well you know what? I like a so I’ll be a happy person and then you’ve got people that like to wallow in kind of a self-pity seeking God, so they have a sad face. They’re not as many around as those but you get the point so start picking and choosing. Look at Ecclesiastes 8:1 again, it says, “Who is like the wise man? Who knows the explanation of things?” You begin first with your ignorance. I do that every morning, every hour. You start with who knows? Who knows what I’m supposed to do or to say, I don’t know what God has in mind or what emotion am I supposed to have.
If sorrow is better than laughter because a is good for the heart, it’s not up to me to go around applying that to me. I pick up my cross and I say, okay God, what is your will and if he commands a, I receive that humbly from him to work that. If he gives me a joy or brightens my face, I also accept that at the same time. Well, how do we get to a place where the Holy Spirit is allowed to do those kinds of things? Well, real briefly, I’m going to remind everybody of Proverbs 1:23. Where wisdom says, if you had responded to my rebuke, it’s only by rebukes that you gain from the Holy Spirit, from the living God. The wisdom to know when you should have a bright face and when you should have a sad face. And it’s only as you walk his will that that happens, but the only way you get that is buying by being rebuked. If you had responded to my rebuke, I would have poured out my heart. So, God would have poured out his heart, and if God is happy technically through me then what am I going to have?
Jacob: A brightened face.
Timothy: That’s right. And if he’s sad I’m going to have a and that could change moment to moment if his will. Says, “I would have poured out my heart to you and made my thoughts known to you.” You also get God’s wisdom as to why you have a or why you have a bright face. Let me pause right there. Jacob, what do you think? Any thoughts?
Jacob: I just think it’s interesting that even if we go in like the order of Ecclesiastes 7:3, well you’re going to have to have a first, to respond to that rebuke before you can get to the Ecclesiastes 8:1 and your face is brightened.
Timothy: Correct.
Jacob: Even in the order of the scripture like it’s going to start out sad before you’re going to get brightened. But most people aren’t willing to accept that sadness that sorrow, so that then Jesus can brighten your face.
Timothy: And on top of that, not only they’re not willing to accept the emotions of God, but they want control of their life.
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: And they won’t even allow that to begin. We’ll eventually get to Lord willing following the disciples they follow Jesus because that’s really our example. If you look at these guys emotions as they begin to follow Jesus. They’re up, down, sideways, backwards, confused, whatever. So, when you say, I wish there had been days when, well, today’s a sad day. Today’s a happy day. That’s not how it work.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: There was massive amounts of confusion and what’s Jesus and where’s this going? I mean, and he doesn’t just come along right away. In fact, what Jesus will do, I’m getting into this topic. Now, he’ll confuse you further.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: Because he’s trying to break self. If you would just let go of self, I know it’s tough. I know it’s hard. I’ve been there. I’m still there and I’ll be there till the end but you can grow. You can gain that foothold in Jesus Christ. Let me give you a New Testament example because I don’t want anybody to go like, well, that’s Ecclesiastes and that was the heritage in this. Look at second Corinthians chapter 4 verse 10. Because technically right now I have a bright face and a sad heart. They come at the same time. And one may go up and one may go down or it’s whatever God wants to work. I’m not in charge of my emotions.
Let me repeat that. I am not in charge of my emotions. I am being given the new life of Jesus Christ. It is his emotions. His life. If I’m dead to self if I’m hating my own Then it rises up as to what it should be. Then I know naturally what to say and how to say it. Second Corinthians 4:10. Paul says, “We always,” and I’ll ask my proverbial question. Jacob, how often do you see this in the church, in the community, in the Bible bookstores, wherever you go. How often is it even talked about?
Jacob: It’s not.
Timothy: Okay. “We always carry around in our body”, in our body. This is not some, well, God knows my heart. No, he says in his body. This affects the whole man. “We always carry around our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.” This is something to those that are full of spiritual wisdom. Those that are really picking up the cross and following Jesus Christ. You can pretty easily pick up on that somebody else is doing it. This is just out there spiritually to see. But at the same time, we see what? The sad face and the bright face. We see both. We always around in our body the death of Jesus that we might have the life of Christ. So, there’s some days I get up and I sense because Holy Spirit’s working it or I’m experiencing really more the death of Jesus Christ than quote unquote the life but you got to go into the Paulb. You got to wait upon God to lift you up in due time. Any thoughts, Jacob?
Jacob: No.
Timothy: Okay. Go ahead and play a Selah moment and let’s take a break for a moment.
Jacob: Okay.
Selah Moment:
Timothy: Jacob, why don’t you go ahead to Proverbs chapter 4 and read verse 7.
Jacob: “Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding.”
Timothy: All I’m really going to make the point here at the moment is it will cost you everything. Jesus said it would. Jesus is the epiPaule of wisdom. He showed us the way and it will indeed cost you everything. In Mark chapter 8 verse 14, let’s go there. We’re going to look at the situation here and it’s going to explain why people in the church are not wise. It barely have much knowledge. Well, number one it cost everything. So, in order to enter this classroom, you have to give up everything emotion. Don’t think of it just outward things like cars or stuff that I own or people that I love and things like that. It is everything to gain wisdom.
You heart has to hunger for it and then it has to be purified and cleaned up so you got to keep persevering. It will, I’m repeating myself, but people don’t believe me. They’re a little slow if you want wisdom. I mean, just overflowing wisdom that God can work in a powerful way with every aspect of the that he calls you to walk it will cost you everything. Let’s touch on Mark chapter 8 verse 14 and I’ll show you the reason why people are not wise. It says, “The disciples have forgotten to bring bread, Except for one loaf they had with them in the boat.”
So, Jesus says in Mark chapter 8:15, “Be careful”, Jesus warned them. “Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and that of Herod.” So, committee gets formed. Mark chapter 8 verse 16, “They discuss this with one another.” We get together we huddle his. First bible study probably New Testament Bible study, you’re in the boat, nice little background, you’re there with Jesus he’s with you right there. And so, they discussed, okay, what’s he means, what’s he saying, and they’re applying their wisdom and their knowledge and they’ve been following maybe for a little bit. So, they’re trying to figure this whole thing out sounds like a lot of people that are struggling out there. Let me save you some time, go pick up your cross, hate your own life and surrender everything everyday calling on the name of the Lord, and he might be able to it if you surrender from there. And so, they said is it because we have no bread? Verse 17 Jesus says, “Aware of their discussion.” Now do you catch that, Jacob? It says, aware of their discussion. What is it they didn’t do? That’s a little bit of a tricky question.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: But what is it they didn’t do?
Jacob: Well, they didn’t ask him, they just went and discussed it themselves.
Timothy: Correct.
Jacob: Yeah, it is like, why won’t you just ask Jesus? He’s the one that said it. He’s right there.
Timothy: Yeah. In our pride we just won’t do it.
Jacob: Oh yeah sure. Okay.
Timothy: Okay. Does that not sound like a typical online Bible study course? I mean, they did everybody has everything but actually just go to Jesus and say okay what do you mean by that?
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: Intuitively they knew by this time Leman it’s going to involve suffering. We’re going to get rebuked. Ou pride’s going to be crushed. We don’t want to look ignorant. Just that superficial flesh that’s there or it’s going to be more demanding, and then there’s part of them probably just doesn’t even want to know. Because with Jesus you just never know where it’s going to go.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: So, I could come deviating but they come to Jesus and go, can we sit at the left or the right hand, right. And he goes, yeah, I can’t give you that, but can you drink this cup. Okay, that’s a setup.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: So, it’s a risky thing to come to Jesus with any question or prayer I doubt there’s much fear and trembling with prayer in the church because be careful Jesus might go, no, I can’t give you that but, hey, are you interested in this over here. And then because we’re ignorant and slow we’ll go, oh yeah, I’m ready for its kind of thing. Alright, “So why are you talking about having no bread,” he says? “Do you still not see or understand?” And here’s the key to why we’re not in total agreement with other Christians, why other Christians are not in agreement with us. It’s the reason why scripture is not applied properly or not applied at all. It doesn’t have to do with go to Bible College, sit down or read some books, or go listen to my sermons for the 15th millionth time. That will do you any good without doing this. What does it say? “Are your hearts hardened?”
The reason why they couldn’t understand what he was talking about with the Herod and the Pharisees is because they had hard hearts. On just this one issue, the Pharisees, remember their hard heart was what? They go, Lord, don’t you know, you’re offending them. They didn’t want to offend the big wigs. So, their hearts were hard. They hadn’t learned yet to hate those things around us so they could hear from God to have a true love. The reason why you’re not being filled with wisdom to overflowing is because probably don’t want to pay the cost. Your heart is hard in some area. Either pride or it’s going to cost you.
We’re talking about a surrendered life here. We’re talking about going before God, falling to the ground, dying to self and surrendering everything to God. And we shouldn’t be surprised that we’re being rebuked about this item or this event happened in our life or he wants to clean us up on this over here. He’s trying to break our heart, because the way that we are allowed to receive wisdom from the living God is only by a soft heart. And if you tell me, you have a soft heart then you’re going to be able to show me the wounds. So don’t venture in that territory unless you’re ready to really defend it. Any thoughts Jacob?
Jacob: Well, I think that and one of the huge problems today is you the leaders in the church. They are Pharisees. Their hearts are hardened so they can’t instruct other people.
Timothy: Correct. Let’s go to Ephesians chapter 4 verse 30. Ephesians 4 verse 30. We tend to think of big moments that God breaks us right you look at Peter denied Jesus that’s a big breaking point they all run and they’re afraid and scattered big breaking point, because they felt extremely guilty for deserting Jesus. Those are certainly a value in there, but as we call upon the name of the Lord every hour. It’s very easy to grieve the Holy Spirit. And as you mature in the Lord you begin to sense more of what the Lord is doing and what’s going on and you don’t want to grieve him anyway. I I’ll get more into that in a moment. Jacob, go ahead and read Ephesians 4 verse 30.
Jacob: “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”
Timothy: As you raise your children when they’re first growing up, you let them get by with a whole lot of stuff, don’t you? Yeah, and it’s usually the big rebukes. You’re patient, you’re waiting, they’re maturing and as they mature, you become more strict on the demands that they should be able to do because they’re growing and they should be capable of those things, correct?
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: Then, there comes a time when there’s a little bit more maturing. By the way, that’s a dangerous time and nothing worse than a bunch of teenage Christians and I don’t mean teenage in terms of they’re 13. I mean, they’re teenage and their spiritual growth.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: Because think of any other teenager, they got it all together. They’re able to do it. Yeah, yeah. Welcome to the club. I was there. You’re just bumping into stuff and unless you’re open to rebukes, you’re never going to mature. You’re never going to maturity because you just remain a teenager the rest of your life or always dependent upon those who are more mature. You never actually grow up. “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God.” Then as you mature on from there, the communication by God is much different. Meaning, you’re looking. the Holy Spirit can be grieved by a frown or God raises an eyebrow. You become very sensitive to the emotion or to what the Holy Spirit is working. Think of marriage when first get married, you’re getting to know each other.
So, there’s this broad-brush stroke of talk and getting to know each other and what do you like, right? You haven’t married this long but after 30 years, you’ll know what her emotions are before she has the emotions or right at or she raised an eyebrow at something you did. There’s a whole back story to that. So, we’re talking about this in the same way she’ll know you really well. No, no, your father doesn’t like that or no, he’s upset right now. Nobody else could really tell, but she’ll be able to tell and each other well.
As you grow in the Lord when you get to this grieving of the Holy Spirit, it’s certainly anytime. You don’t if you discipline your daughter or your child and you go and daddy’s mad, I made him mad that kind of routine. But this is a maturity also that goes on from there to where if the Holy Spirit is upset with me, it’s the subtly, I pick up on. This causes an increase in your fear and trembling as You walk before the Lord because you don’t want to grieve the Holy Spirit and I do not mean by this some type of law. Like, oh don’t make dad mad because you’ll go ballistic, and that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about a loving relationship. You don’t want to grieve the Holy Spirit because that’s life. That’s eternal life.
So, if I start doing or saying things that just all the Holy Spirit has to do is just kind of glance out of the side of, oh yeah, and then you’re right back on track to where you need to be or you move forward in a different direction. This is a kind of relationship God is after where maturity comes in. Where it’s very seasoned. But that begins in day one. Mommy teaches the sons and daughter like don’t make daddy mad or we don’t do that or we don’t lie or whatever. So, you’re teaching. It’s like don’t grieve us. Don’t grieve the bad things that you do upon us. “As you mature that grieving becomes different.” And let me stop. Jacob, you got anything from there?
Timothy: Well later on, there’s actually a lot of instances in scripture. If you go down to Ephesians 5 verse 10, it says, “And find out what pleases the Lord.” That’s the one verse and so obviously there’s actually a bunch of stuff before that, but literally that is the entire verse that’s all it says, “And find out what pleases the Lord.” So, it’s the same thing. If you have that true relationship with God, you’re going to know when he’s upset and then the heart or that’s where if you are hungry and thirst for righteousness, if you want this wisdom that comes from God because you want to know what pleases him.
Timothy: Amen, and you’re actually hitting the heart of the cross and why most people turn their back on Jesus. Because the death to self at this point is you have to give up what pleases you and what you want to do in order to hear from what he would have you to do, let alone being able to do it. And most people are not willing to go to that surrender length, but that’s the only Christian life by the way. Apart from that, you don’t have the gospel of Jesus Christ. In Proverbs chapter 2 verse 10 it says, “For wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.” So, they come together.
It’s at that point that wisdom enters the heart and the heart is enlivened and it’s full of hope and it has that great rest in Jesus Christ. Even as it’s suffering with Jesus Christ and suffering in the body and all the things are there. It enters into the heart and wisdom then begins to beat through you. It says in scripture that wisdom just responds to, or what am I trying to say? Reclines so to speak. That’s not the word. I’ll look it up later. “Reclines within the heart of those who love God.” It’s just there as it grows and matures. “For wisdom will enter your heart. Then the knowledge you have will be pleasant to your soul.”
I see a lot of scientists especially medical people whatever. They have knowledge but I don’t see pleasant souls. I don’t see souls that are blessed. They’re not happy that knowledge their lives are a mess or they’re empty they don’t know where they’re going or they spend all of their zeal and energy trying to say that God doesn’t exist. So, there’s no pleasantness about them, because they don’t have the wisdom of the Lord. Jacob, let’s roll on out.
Outro: This has been the Consider Podcast at www.consider.info where yesterday’s folly is today’s madness. In the beginning, the unrepentant sinners words are folly. At the end, they are wicked madness. Ecclesiastes 10:13. Judgement begins with the house of God. Therefore, let everyone who loves the Lord with an undying love pick up their cross and walk the talk. As Peter the wrote. “Therefore, prepare your minds for action. Be self-controlled”. First Peter 1:13-14. The Considered Podcast, examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities. www.consider.info.
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