Timothy: Let’s continue our discussion about the good thief and the bad thief. Both are thieves, mainly what we’re focusing on right now is the bad thief and bad Christians, and those who claim to be Christians but are not disciples of Jesus. And if you continue to walk the way that you’re walking, you will perish.
Timothy: Alright, Jacob let’s continue on, but let’s remind everybody where we’re at. Jesus has just miraculously fed everybod. 5000 men and everybody that was there. In John chapter 6 verse 14, they come to a conclusion. Jacob, why don’t you read that conclusion?
Jacob: “After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to say, “Surely, this is the prophet who is to come into the world.”
Timothy: They have faith to us they would look like believers, because technically they’re believing, are they not?
Timothy: This we’re going to discover in a moment. These are a bad congregation; these are the bad thieves. And they’re a big group. We’re talking 5000 at the moment, so they come with a conclusion their conclusion because they saw the miraculous sign is, surely, they have faith, they have zeal. This is a prophet who’s come into the world. So, Jesus to teach them some things and show them some things. And we’re going to have to jump to John 6:24, because Jesus leaves the crowd it’s the same crowd and we’ll see that here in a moment. Let’s go to John chapter 6 verse 24. Jesus has left the situation. He went to a different area. This is once the crowd, not disciples. “Once the crowd realized that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into the boats and went to Capernaum in search of Jesus.”
To us in our naive Christian walks, we would think these people are hungry for Jesus. We would want to start a church. We would say there’s a revival happening because aren’t they looking for Jesus? They’re going to great effort to do it. They’re finding boats. They’re staying away from their home. They’re tracking him down. We’d say, these are eager people to find Jesus Christ, correct Jacob?
Timothy: I’ll let read it again because we were probably tired of hearing my voice but read verse 24 again and let’s let that sit down and sink in into our hearts.
Jacob: “Once the crowd realized that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into the boats and went to Capernaum in search of Jesus.”
Timothy: It’s also they realized the presence of Jesus is not around. You can’t locate him in church or you can’t find him here. He’s hiding. He’s somewhere. Where is he at? So, they each go and with great zeal, look for boats and they went in search of him and they go have you seen Jesus? Have you seen him? And they’re going for him and looking for him. In verse 25, this is when they found him on the other side of the lake. They asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?” There’s an interesting wording here. It’s “Rabbi”. They didn’t call him Lord. They’ve called him prophet. They’ve called him a great teacher.
And again, they’ve called him Rabbi. But they have not called him Lord. Their hearts are being revealed. And even when I talk and as you talk to people who are not Christians or they’re bad thieves or they’re in between or they’re just kind of immature and kind of chewing stuff. I mean certainly there are those people in the world who they just look at Jesus is a prophet or some great teacher but that’s about as far as it goes but they’re not disciples of Jesus. They might even be Christians but they’re not disciples.
So, there’s this respect. They come saying, Rabbi, we know that you know something. We know that you have power. We know that you’re from God. They could list a lot of things that are correct but he is not yet Lord of their whole life. They would protest that. If you said that, they’d go, no, no, no, I’m following. I’m going to hear, I’m searching. So, this is a subtly in language and when you’re talking to people and they’re revealing their hearts they will say things you’ll go, yeah, that’s where they’re at and that’s what needs to be dealt with and so on. “By your words,” I’ve repeated it before. “By your words, you’ll be acquitted or you be condemned.” So, Jesus deals with this, Rabbi, when did you get here? yeah, when did you arrive? How did you get? Well, they’re not even really question about how, but when, did you get here. And Jesus goes right to it. He goes right to, he let the bad thief be rebuked by the good thief. And in the same way Jesus only puts up with the pretense for so long.
So, in verse 26, Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth.” It’s amazing me the simpleness of man that Jesus always has to says I tell you the truth. What a humble God that is. It’s like me talking to somebody and go I tell you the truth. You you’re actually humbling yourself to go look I’m not lying. Does that make sense?
Jacob: Yeah, that makes sense.
Timothy: Okay, then I won’t hammer the point. “You are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs.” And yet that would look like a lie. Look like Jesus, you’re the false conclusion. I’ve had over the years. Well, like two numbered in to name but people have always said you know yeah, you made a mistake here. You made a mistake there and they’re not really seeking the Holy Ghost. So, in the same way they would turn to Jesus and go no, no, no, no. We’re here because of the miracles. We saw what you did. We call you Rabbi. We call you prophet. We respect you. We think you’re a good man. We think you’re really seeking and forgotten. And know we have a lot to learn.
I tell you the truth. Heads up. Start looking. if Jesus comes to you in your quiet time and he goes you know I tell you the truth. Slow down. Pay attention, let it sink in. This is when the sitting actually bears fruit. Just think how the disciples or the apostles at the last supper when Jesus is telling them things. They’re sitting there but they’re not listening. They’re sitting there but they’re debating. They’re sitting there but they’re just questioning. They’re not really hearing what he has to say.
We all have that struggle. I have that struggle. We’re just like, the Lord comes to us. We assume, okay, that’s what I’m supposed to do or what’s going on. We have to cultivate and enter the Sabbath rest of God we looked at that in the book of Job just shut up and listen. Praise God that as I move from being a young man of 20 years old being discipled by Jesus up till now, that I had that time period where man just slow me down, press me back. The number of things he did and physically or whether it’s events in life or whatever, it was a constant slow down, slow down, slow down, listen to me, listen to me. Eventually got through on a lot of things, but I wouldn’t surprise if I got to do a lot more sitting.
Alright. I tell you the truth, you’re looking for me not because you saw miraculous signs and then we course protest. No, no, no, no. Did you not hear what we said? We’re here. Blah blah blah. But because you ate the loaves and had your fill. We’re down to a belly belief. They’re coming to church for the potluck. Jacob, should we hammer this out? What are churches? Come to our potluck. Come to our dinner. We actually cater to this nonsense.
Jacob: Come for entertainment.
Timothy: Come to the entertainment. Come for the food. Let’s go out after church service and do that. Let’s go watch the sporting event. Or let’s go to a particular coffee shop or whatever it is. Jesus is saying, you’re here because I fed your belly. It’s a belly believe. And yet the church today that’s what they do to draw people in. They appeal to the belly. Peter will say, their God is their sPaulach. “They ate the loaves and had your filled.” That’s why you’re here. That’s why you’re looking for me. I fed you. I gave you one little miraculous sign that fed your belly and you’re willing to search for me. What if I gave you a miraculous sign that didn’t feed your belly? Is not Jesus Christ being crucified, a miraculous sign from God? Is not the curtain being torn and the sun being blacked out and everything he said. Is that not a sign? Well, they’re not following him there.
So, how many times do we follow Jesus Christ for what we can get? We’re the bad thief on the cross. Save yourself and us while you’re at it. Very very very few people are the good thief that say what are you doing? That’s not Christianity. That’s not discipleship. That’s not of Jesus Christ. That’s not of God. This man has he’s holy. He’s righteous. He’s pure. He’s none of these things that you think he is. He’s not going to reach down to your selfish little thing and blessed and somehow you get to go to heaven. That’s not what this man, this son of God is about. Let me pause. Jacob, you got anything to say on that?
Timothy: Alright, so they ate the loaves and had your filled. That’s why you’re following me. So, Jesus goes on. He didn’t stop there. He begins the truth. Most of them were considered to be a rebuke. In fact, we’re going to see here as we move on. Most of them are going to turn back and no longer follow. Once they realize he’s not here to feed their flesh and by the way, this causes a lot of trouble in the church because people come to Jesus Christ and they may. God may be speaking. They’re there with Jesus. There is a quote unquote revival meeting going on. They are together, but they’re there only to get from Jesu. So, these kinds of people when they go into the prayer closet, oh, Lord bless me in this or I think so and so is wrong or I think this is a cult over here. That’s what they’re going to hear because they’re listening to their belly, they’re not listening to the cross of Christ. They’re not sitting down before the son of man and listening.
So, Jesus says in verse 27, “Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the son of man will give you.” Remember what did he just do? He went to each person and gave them some simple fish and some simple bread and he multiplied that. He will give us the food that we need and we need to chew on it, sit down with it and let God do it in our hearts, in our spirits, in our soul and in our life. “But work for the food that endures eternal life.” Now I need to stop right here Jacob because we need to give people that say, oh, you’re making this salvation by works a chance to write their complaint letter to Jesus Christ, right?
Timothy: Jesus Christ is clearly wrong here. He, poor Jesus, he doesn’t understand the message of the gospel, does he? He’s introduced works. Verse 27, “Do not work for food that spoils, but work for food that endures to eternal life.” Is that what he’s saying?
Timothy: Alright. That oh well, we got to do some work. “On him, God the father has placed his seal of approval.? This is the message. This is the message of the cross. This is life. This is the seal of approval. You’re not going to find it anywhere else. This is the bread. This is the loaf. This is a sitting down. This is what it means to follow Jesus Christ to be a disciple of Jesus. So, verse 28, They still don’t admit the truth of who they are, right? There’s no convict. There’s actually zero conviction, let alone deep conviction, right? It’s an intellectual thing. Really, it’s witchcraft because you’re avoiding the suffering of the cross and so you’re kind of changing the topic or running from it. So, what do they say? Read verse 28 there, Jacob.
Jacob: “Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Timothy: Of course, now everybody that says we shouldn’t have to do anything, it would read differently would be, what are you talking about? We don’t have to work; we’re saved by grace. But they asked him, “Well, what must we do to do the works God requires?” So, they have totally glossed over the fact that they’re belly believers, correct?
Timothy: This is not going to end well. So, Jesus Comes to us. He wants to show us desperately to bless us by showing us our sin. He wants to show us our stubbornness, our opinions, oh I could go down the line. We know the usual sexual morality, greed, all those things. We got all that. That’s not even being dealt with. But he wants to come with and deal with those things, right? And they totally ignore that. You’re looking for me because we had a barbecue. You ate, you’re full, you’re happy, and so now you’re looking for me for that. They don’t go, you’re right. Don’t go, we’re selfish. You’re right. I’m only out here because you’re giving me free food. And you can do these miraculous things and if we follow you, we’ll just always be fed. We’ll always be happy. We’ll always be blessed how we think we should be blessed. So, they change the topic because the end goal really for them is they’re not arguing the point. They don’t go, no, no, no, no. We’re not out here because of our belly. Do they argue the point?
Jacob: No, they do not.
Timothy: No, they don’t. What they try to do is eh let’s gloss over and see who get Jesus to give us more loaves to feed our belly. So, they change the topic. Or attempt to do so. Then they asked, okay, let’s have a Bible study. Let’s do a little Sunday school here. And Jesus what must we do to do the works God requires. Okay, lay this all out, because man you supply the needs. You supply all the provisions. You grant all the blessings. We’re free in Jesus. We can do all these things. We get out from the law. This isn’t the half bad. I don’t have to work at my regular job. Because all you do is follow Jesus out here in the desert or there’s some nice green grass and he’ll provide the food and the water. A daily life then becomes a lot more exciting. You don’t have to do anything, correct?
Timothy: Certainly, at church, you got nothing to do here except that, oh okay. So, and they’re looking at this in a totally worldly point of view. I remember one time talking to a lawyer trying to get through and you can imagine how difficult that is with the gospel and I turned to him and I said, and that this is in a guy to a lot of turmoil. You know me, this was not a wishy-washy kind of situation. There was an intensity going on and so I turned to him and said, do you want to be saved? And there was this pause and there was this silence and he looked and he examined me and there was he’s quiet for a moment and I knew what was happening. He was calculating whether he wanted to be saved or not. Not saved from conviction of sin but saved from like this is a contract. And so, he turned at me and goes, yeah, sure. Why not? It was just a contract. It was just a legal requirement.
By the way, I’ve worked up a legal contract for all the legal folks out there that I’ll post that later. Suppose you bump into the lawyer type because they seem to be everywhere. You can have them fill this out. It’s a contract between you and God in relationship to Luke 14:25 and count the cost in the whole area. So, I’ll post that eventually someday. Alright, I’ve stretched that. Verse 28, Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the worst God requires?” And Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he sent.”
Now, we have to pause again because it’s the word belief that’s the problem in today’s church. Isn’t the word belief the most watered-down mundane thing that’s just a matter of kind of your church opinion or your church doctrine. Or Jacob, can you explain that? Because I know you’re around that a lot more than I am.
Jacob: Well, because nowadays, the word “believe” is watered down again to like a one-time thing versus earlier we’re talking about how like you have to be coming to Jesus to be fed daily. You can’t, it doesn’t carry over. You don’t get to save the loaves. Nowadays believe is like you bumped into Jesus once. He gave you one loaf and a couple fish and you are now good forever. Like those will last forever because you believed like a one time. Versus believing in Jesus as a disciple is every day. Every hour he’s going to deal with you. You’re be wrong. You’re going to have to keep believing in him. He’s going to have to keep giving you his Holy Spirit. You’re going to continue to be crucified and it carries over, versus literally nowadays you only have to do it once.
Timothy: And probably not even that they can trick you into it and if you just say, Jesus is Lord.
Jacob: Sure, yeah.
Timothy: You’re a Christian.
Jacob: You’re in. You’re done. We got him. Yeah.
Timothy: I guess eventually you’re just going to walk down the street and go you’re a Christian. You’re a Christian. You don’t have to do anything. It’s like, okay whatever. Alright. I’m kind of, it’s amazing to me because it takes serious work to be a disciple of Jesus. This isn’t like to believe isn’t a non-working word. It’s not a noun versus a verb. It takes hard work. It takes loving God. Now to think about this, to love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul, all your spirit, and all your strength. You’re telling me that doesn’t take any work? Seriously.
Jacob: Or even just hearing this one story to believe because just earlier Jesus says I tell you the truth. But they don’t really believe him. They’re kind of like, they’re continuing to question because they don’t believe that they’re just there for the food. They think they’re convinced and they believe that they’re right or their version, or I don’t know what. But believe in Jesus.
Timothy: What even gets worse at because they don’t want to do the work.
Timothy: That’s the other part of the problem. I mean if you got, suppose you got somebody a group of people to acknowledge the fact that yeah, you got to work and it loving your brothers and sisters. That is hard work. And I’m talking about loving them in Jesus Christ. Carrying your cross is hard work. Having all things in common is hard work. Persecution is hard work. The dynamics to stand up and say I’m a disciple of Jesus and I will follow you wherever you lead me requires hard work. Jesus is in the Garden of Gethsemane and you’re telling me when he’s praying with drops of blood and when he’s preparing to go to the cross that that isn’t hard work. I think they kind, well, they are. We’re going to see here in a moment. It’s kind of coming into focus with them and it will become clear to them in a little bit.
So, the work of God is this to believe in the one he sent. All the things that have do with Jesus Christ are indeed hard work. To do the commands of God with a pure heart, just hard work. To even get up to a place to be obedient to what God has instructed you, whether it be his laws or whether it be his ways or whatever it is he’s got going on to meditate on those, to rejoice always give thanks in all circumstances. Jacob, do you find that sometimes to be hard work.
Jacob: Yes, very hard work.
Timothy: Okay, it is hard work. We don’t want to rejoice always our sinful nature does it anyway, or we’d like to rejoice always. But then if we do it, it turns into this happy go lucky kind of Christianity that doesn’t evolve anything. When Paul and when they’re writing rejoice always, that’s under serious discipleship. The reason the command is there is because none of us would willingly be able to rejoice always who are disciples of Jesus. You literally have to go, okay, I’m going to work at this. I’m going to work at rejoicing always because that’s what it requires. That’s what the perseverance of Christ requires.
Alright, so they don’t want to do the work. That’s for sure. So, what do they do? They go, let’s talk. Let’s have another Sunday school meeting question. And it’s Always you’ll see here in a moment. It’s always Jesus needs to do something. We don’t need to do anything. Where have you seen that before Jacob?
Timothy: That’s right. So, I’ll let you read verse 30 of John 6.
Jacob: So, they asked him, “What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do?”
Timothy: So, Jesus did everything. That’s the doctrine here. You don’t have to do anything. There’s we don’t want to do the work so they just it’s like they blitz that out and said, okay well, what will you do? Demonstrate to us. Maybe someone there are even getting a little bit myth. Like yeah, yeah, he’s talking about all this work. We got all that. We’re out here following you. Why you coming down so hard on us? We travel over lands. We found these boats. Why are you not acknowledging the good in us that we’ve You’re always talking about this work bit. So, people will think, oh the message he preaches is so hard and it’s so much work and there’s so many things to do and they’re whining and they’re complaining and so they’d like to sidetrack into all kinds of discussion. I try to avoid them.
So, they asked him, “What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you?” What will you do? Copped a tube probably on some of these people or putting him in a corner, or okay here’s another childish thing because he’s a bunch of children. It’s phrasing a question maybe in a nice way to get him to do it. Like you’re there for the belly belief like, so okay yeah, we agree with you. That’s true. Yeah, yeah so what will you do? Hoping it’s another pic time. To multiply another miracle, I don’t think this is just entertainment level these are belly believers they’re after what they can get from Jesus. Just like the bad thief on the cross. He only wanted to take from Jesus. So, he appealed to Jesus’s selfishness to take him down off the cross.
Verse 31, now they’re going to quote the Bible. They finally get up to, they know their Bible. “Our forefathers ate the man in the desert; as it is written.” See we know the Bible too. “He them bread from heaven to eat.” So, they’re going to quote scripture to scripture. They’re going to quote ink on paper to the living God who is the living word of God. And people try to do it all the time. So, they’re quoting to Jesus. Yeah, we got it in the desert the whole bit. We know that lesson. We’re with you on this thing. Verse 32, “Jesus said to them and what are the words there Jacob?
Jacob: “I tell you the truth.”
Timothy: Pay attention. They’re just not getting this. Feel free when the Holy Spirit moves on you and you’re talking to somebody and go look I’m telling you the truth. Doesn’t mean they’re going to get it. Unfortunately, too many times they’re not but you still tell the truth. How many times I’ve heard people say, well, I’d have told them but they wouldn’t understand or accept it. What’s that got to do with anything? If Jesus Christ is working within you to speak it, speak it and tell them you’re telling them the truth. “I tell you the truth,” Jesus said, “It is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my father who gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” Now here it is. Belly beef says it’s hallelujah. Belly believe is going to rejoice. Verse 34. What’s the first word there in verse 34 Jacob?
Timothy: Clearly not Lord.
Jacob: And it’s not even Rabbi. It becoming less.
Timothy: It’s a good point. I was waiting for you to get it. Correct.
Jacob: It’s getting even less.
Timothy: You’d have to say, they’re getting myth.
Jacob: But they’re still polite. “Oh sir.” This is not, they’re going to justify themselves.
Timothy: Well, you bring up a good point and we’re kind of having fun looking at the script to the point. But can you say that without being, in other words you’re being kind of sarcastic. Is it really possible to say it in a nice way? Like people often say to me, don’t be so offensive or we shouldn’t be offensive and I go, okay fine. Go turn to the Pharisees and say, you Brood of Vipers and say it as nice as you can. Have everybody in the congregation turn to the person next to me smile and say it as nice and as loving and sweet as you can. Oh, you Brood of Vipers. It doesn’t come across. Now I could be certainly wrong on this one, but even as you were quoting it back to me it had this sour note to it. Am I?
Jacob: Or well I think it’s like underhanded again because see they can say, oh, we said, “sir”, but underneath they’re angry They’re upset.
Timothy: I think so. I think it’s alright, “sir”. I have to think they know they’ve gone from rabbi to sir.
Timothy: I think they’re getting a little myth. Because their next sentence is short to the point in demanding. Look at what they’re not asking Jesus. They’re telling him.” From now on give us this bread.” They’ve copped a tube. From now on give us this bread. Short sentence, to the point, just honing in on Jesus going, this is what you need to do. They’re trying to form Jesus into what he wants him to be. Okay, Jacob let’s go ahead and turn to John chapter 6. We’ll go down to verse 48. And what we’re going to find is that it finally dawns on them. It becomes crystal clear that he means something far different and other individuals can go back and read the whole thing. We certainly don’t have time to do that on this podcast.
So, in John chapter 6 verse 58, this is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died; but he who feeds on this bread will live forever. He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. Don’t you think the people would excited about this?
Timothy: You would think so. If somebody came along and said, I’ve got some bread here. I did the miraculous loaves of fish and I did the bread and all those things and whoever feeds on this bread and I am the bread. It’s me personally. It is me Jesus Christ Lord of all. You feed on me. You will live forever. Don’t you think that would overshadow any other complaint?
Timothy: I want to repeat that again. Don’t you think that would overshadow any other grumbling, whining, misunderstanding, you may not understand everything but everything will become clear if you feed on him and eat when he wants you to eat and let him pick up when he’s done and so on, you will live forever.
Timothy: Yeah, it would be like what the cost. No, I can’t say it right. The cost outweighs the bad or like you still, this is a good deal.
Jacob: In a worldly sense.
Timothy: Well, it is. It’s a totally good deal. That’s why sin is just utterly sinful. It’s like it’s just so corrupt. It’s the stupidest thing anybody can engage in but logic never convinces anybody. They just want their belly fed. They want a belly belief. They want a belly believing, preaching, smiling, jack, Jesus. So, Jesus saying, “He who feeds on me.”
Now, what happens at this point because he’s taught a lot of things up to this point and what he’s done is He’s laid out for them. This is the message of the cross. This is the complete gospel message. This is the full message. It’s beginning to dawn on him. Oh, he’s not a free blessing God machine kind of thing that we can command. This is a cross carrying totally demanding hard work. You got to give up everything. You have to repent of your sins. It all comes kind of flooding together and they begin to realize oh, this is serious business. So instead of rejoicing that they’re going to live forever, they’ll have a relationship with Jesus Christ. What does it say in John 6? Well, let’s read on, read it on their Jacob.
Jacob: On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
Timothy: Unless everybody in your church and everybody you’re preaching to or sharing with comes to a conclusion that this is a hard teaching, who can live it? Who can accept it? You haven’t preached the gospel. You have not preached the gospel. The only way that anyone can live and follow Jesus Christ and be a true disciple of Jesus is if miraculous power by the Holy Spirit transforms them and enables them, you literally have to feed off Jesus. Because the Christian life is impossible to live. Impossible to live. We don’t want it; we don’t like it and we’re simply powerless to do. It takes God giving us the power to do it and the only way we get that is by feeding on Jesus. Now think how often we eat. So, we’re talking about feeding on Jesus a lot. Every second of every day, that’s how we began.
So, we’ll end up and we’ll finish up with John chapter 6 verse 66. And I find it to be of no coincidence that it’s John 666. I’m always amazed all through history. How the Bible came together and there’s all kinds of debates about who wrote the Bible and who wrote that book and how they arranged the number system and how they did all those. I’m not a mathematician. I wish somebody would come along who really was deep into numbers. What are the odds of Jon 666, and we all know those who are somewhat even familiar with Jesus that 666 is not a good number. Correct?
Jacob: No, bad number.
Timothy: Bad number. You don’t want that number somehow all the chapters and verses Hebrew text everything Greek all the things coming down and it comes down to John 6:66 where we read. “From this time many of his disciples turn back and no longer followed him.” Now notice it says, “disciples”. So, the believers were gone a long time ago. The believers realize, yeah, this is not for me. Those who are just out there for a belly belief and they get some basic things from Jesus and they toned it down long time ago. But this is upping the scale. This in how we would look at things. These are people been baptized. People have been walking with God. People who counted the cost. People who’ve been blessed by God. Those who’ve experienced the power of the Holy Spirit. Those who’ve tasted the word of God as Hebrews says. These are people that under, these are disciples for whom the Holy Spirit has spoken to, the Holy Spirit has encouraged, the Holy Spirit has given power to when the cost got too high. When they begin to realize that it’s going to really, really, really cost them everything as their eyes are open. It says, “many”, not just a few many.
And again, God is a master of understatements. That’s why there’s so many people who don’t like or didn’t like Sound Doctrine Church or me or whoever you want to look at it. Because there are many. “Many who will turn their backs on Jesus Christ and no longer follow.” and if it ever happened that God somehow opened up where there was a large group of people. I fully anticipate that once it becomes totally clear to them what God is going to demand of them, not what I demand of them. I’m too busy working out my own life with fear and trembling, to be worried about all the nitpicky small things in somebody else life. You go work that out with God. You go sit before the Lord and once he opens your eyes, once you begin to realize whoa, whoa, whoa what’s going on here belly belief is not where it’s at, you’re going to find many disciples fools turning back and no longer following.
Jacob: So, I know you’ve brought it up multiple times in this episode you’ve kind of touched on it in the past too about people leaving sound doctrine, the hate crime that happened. And then of course, it fits right in with this scripture right here where a lot of disciples turn back and no longer follow Jesus, and we had the same thing happen. What do you, want you explain that a little bit or I don’t know if you want to touch on that?
Timothy: Jacob, you bring up a very difficult thing because it’s a multi-layered situation and there’s a lot that was going on. The best thing that we can do at the moment till the Lord permitting we get into this later is we’ll attach a couple videos that kind of given an introduction and an understanding was going on for those that would be interested.
Video: In this video, I’m going to be giving you a broad overview of the hate crime that took place against Timothy Williams and against Sound Doctrine Church. So first off, I will mention who Timothy Williams is. He was the head pastor of Sound Doctrine Church which was a tightly knitted Bible-believing Christian Church which was located in Enumclaw Washington who’s also the executive publisher of Wine Press Publishing which was later owned by the aforementioned Sound Doctrine Church. And next, we need to list out a number of the bad actors. In other words, those who are responsible for carrying out the hate crime.
Now, the first person we’ll be talking about is an individual who we will be referring to as Jezebel. In short, she is a woman whose words trample over all peace. In second Kings 9:22, it says. When Joram saw Jehu, he asked, “Have you come in peace, Jehu?” “How can there be peace,” Jehu replied, “As long as all the idolatry and witchcraft of mother Jezebel abounds.” To be referring to her as Jezebel for biblical reasons and if you’re not familiar with the biblical Jezebel, you can see more in first Kings 18:13. She is the very first person who got the ball rolling who initiated the hate crime by using the foolishness and corruption of many other people to do it many of which who will be getting to here shortly. It is her bitter hatred of Timothy Williams and Sound Doctrine Church and her own self-proclaimed sin, which led to her orchestrating the hate crime.
The next is Detective Grant McCall of the Enam Claw Police Department. Grant McCall is a Pharisee who plotted for decades on how to destroy the truth of Jesus. In Matthew 12:14, it says “But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.”
The next is Judge Beth Andrews. She is a pastor’s daughter who knows all too well how to whitewash and as such did so for Enam Claw Detective Grant McCall and his crimes because she wants to please the of Washington. James 4:4 says, “You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.” She was instrumental in defending, protecting, and whitewashing all of Detective Grant McCall’s misconduct leading to the persecution of sound doctrine church.
The next is Judge Lori K Smith whose self-righteousness blinds her facts, evidence, in truth was instrumental in ensuring that no evidence was allowed to be presented by the defense while the prosecution ran wild. In Luke 6 verse 41-42, it says, “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye.’ When you yourself failed to see the plank in your own eye? you hypocrite, first, take the plank out of your eye, then you will be able to see clearly removed the spec from your brother’s eye.” It was her observed goal to ensure that it was impossible for the defense to defend itself by using every legal corruption possible to prevent evidence proving innocence from being admitted into the trial.
The next is prosecutor Mark Larson. He’s a now retired King County prosecutor and a Sadducee who believes nothing but his own ideas. He is in fact a deceiver who is being deceived. Mark Larson after a career of indulging in deceptions prosecuted the truth. In second Timothy 3:12-13, it says, “In fact everyone who wants to live a Godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.”
There are five prosecutors who work together to ensure that any and all evidence proving innocence was suppressed while pursuing their case with zero evidence. As we’ll get to here in a moment, prosecutors presented zero physical or even circumstantial evidence but rather rounded up a group of malcontents who had personal disagreements with the church. Despite being called quote unquote witnesses, those who the prosecution brought forth had any testimony to support the allegations that were being brought to trial. Obviously, largely because they were false but also because they served only to confuse the with even more false and slanderous claims about the church.
Okay, so now that we have the people who are instrumental in ensuring that this hate crime took place what is it that took place? So, all of this started with the person who we are referring to as Jezebel. Jezebel has a long and storied history of stirring up trouble, lying, bullying, and many other self-proclaimed sins as she has written self-confessed both in letters, in many other forms of writing including books that she’s written in the past. Now, over time, Jezebel’s hatred and bitterness grew towards Sound Doctrine Church and Timothy Williams as a result of her self-proclaimed bitterness and sins. These became increasingly evident in the months preceding her leaving of both Sound Doctrine Church and Wine Press Publishing and naturally only continued to grow after she had left both.
Now, we’re not going to get into everything that led up to Jezebel’s leaving of the Church and Winepress Publishing. We have done another video on that subject and there’s plenty of more information on a hard truth. us. Now a shorter explanation that kind of sums up a lot of the damage that she did was because she almost used as a guidebook. The book “Gossip and the Gospel” written by Timothy Williams, which outlines the destructive nature of gossip which she knew and used all too well throughout the course of this hate crime.
Now we already mentioned that detective Grant McCall was an individual who had personal disagreements and problems with Sound Doctrine Church stemming from his belief that the King James Version is the only acceptable version of the Bible. On November 10th 2011, Jezebel made quick allies with detective Grant McCall sharing a common hatred for Sound Doctrine Church. During that time, they began meeting planning framing and orchestrating the hate crime against Sound Doctrine Church.
Now there are many reasons why Jezebel would have went to Detective Grant McCall first particularly when it comes to hatred of Sound Doctrine Church. Now, personally, when I was getting ready to join the church myself, I actually had individuals call him once they figured out that I was joining the church because he was so synonymous with hatred for the particular church which he then proceeded to show up to my house in an attempt to try to keep me from joining the church. As it turned out, Jezebel had been grooming a false accuser who she decided to mention to detective Grant McCall as they began working together in an attempt to perpetrate their hate crime against Sound Doctrine Church. It was shortly after this that detective Grant McCall did end up having an interview and meeting with this false accuser who conveniently turned off his recording device while he was interviewing her.
Of course, as later came out in the trial, her testimony greatly altered before and after she met with Detective Grant McCall. So as all the evidence suggested during the trial which we’ll get to here shortly, Detective Grant McCall invented and fed all of the false allegations which were presented as fact in a criminal trial. Then on March 20th, 2012, the false charges were made official as a pastor of Sound Doctrine Church was arrested as a result of them. Not too much later, a misconduct hearing was held in regards to Detective Grant McCall for a number of different reasons. These were the proceedings that were done by Judge Beth Andrews. Throughout, she did find misconduct against the city of Enam Claus Detective Grant McCall. A big part of what was discovered was that McCall deleted emails that were relevant to the case. Again, turned off the recorder and was deleting emails.
Throughout this hearing there are many instances of misconduct which were considered. All of which we’re not going to be able to cover in this video. Despite all of the clear evidence of misconduct it shocked exactly no one that the government determined that the government was innocent when Andrews claimed that detective Grant McCall was simply doing his best despite all of the misconduct. She went so far as to order the secret service to launch an investigation in to the computers of Enam Claw Police Department in an attempt to recover Detective McCall’s deleted emails.
And on April 5th, 2013, the trial began and just five days later Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson filed a lawsuit against an elderly woman which in turn destroyed her small-town flower shop for you guessed it, Christian beliefs. Now once the trial began Judge Lori K Smith worked tirelessly to prevent the defense from presenting any and all defense that they could including significant pieces of evidence, which demonstrated not only the hostility from Jezebel and Detective Grant McCall but many other things which showcased why and how it would have been impossible for the allegations claimed to have been accurate.
The prosecutors on the other hand were free to go and find formal disgruntled member of Sound Doctrine Church who presented zero evidence but merely aired their false grievances against the church. In other words, a modern-day witch hunt presenting no evidence but just finding everyone or anyone who they could was willing to just say bad stuff about the church. Regardless of whether or not they could verify it, which of course they couldn’t which is of course because it was false. And despite an expensive taxpayer-funded investigation into detective Grant McCall, Prosecutor Mark Larson saw no need to remove Detective Grant McCall from any aspect of the case or from his duty as detective.
And finally, without presenting a single shred of physical or circumstantial evidence denoting that the alleged crime took place a guilty verdict was finally returned. Then after the sentencing on July 26th, 2013 all of the dominoes began to fall putting into full motion the hate crime by Washington State and King County.
On May 17th 2015, Sound Doctrine Church had to close its doors in part because of numerous threats of violence against it and its members which of course were left unanswered by Enam Claw Police Department. On September 26th, 2013, the Christian bookstore owned by Sound Doctrine Church and used to serve the local community was also shut down.
On January 3rd, 2014, the aforementioned Christian book publisher Winepress Publishing was evicted from its building. So, as to why this particular hate crime took place, the answer is really very simple. It hearkens back to a story as old as Cain and Abel. It is that Timothy Williams and Sound Doctrine Church were living lives of holiness, purity and self-discipline and there is nothing that evildoers will hate more than a group of individuals doing exactly that. As it is written, “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven. For in the same way, they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
Now as I touched on in the beginning of this video, this is the absolute hip of the iceberg. When it comes to what took place during the whole length of this hate crime. For more information, facts, and evidence, I highly recommend that you listen to the consider Podcast by Timothy Williams.
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