#41 the trial of Al Capone

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Video: This is the true shocking story of Scarface Al Capone, who stalked out of Chicago to take America by the throat.

Man 2: Anybody gives you any trouble? Anybody has he backed off? You tell him come see Al. They got to see Al Capone.

Man 1: The income from his sinister empire of illicit liquor, organized vice and gambling, reached over $2 million dollars a week.

Man 1: Well, some people think that you’re getting too important that Jerome isn’t as important as the mayor even the governor.

Man: I’m so what?

Man 1: Al Capone, he terrorized elections, invading the polling places with machine guns. He organized the vast syndicate of crime we are still fighting today.

Man 2: They got trucking. They got garages. They got cleaning and dying milk and all these people going to pay protection.

Man: Protection from who?

Man 2: From who? Protection from us.

Man 1: Al Capone portrayed by Rod Stagger in a performance of shocking power.

Man 2: Nobody leaves Al Capone, you understand that?

Lady: Well, I do.

Man 2: I know you don’t.

Lady: Would you do me a favor, please? Would you kill me?

Man 1: Al Capone, he invented the rubout and the ride, introduced the Paulmy Gun to gang land. He pushed the button for hundreds of underworld executions like Big Jim Colas Simo, Dean O’Banion, The Murphy Brothers, Jaime Weiss, the seventy slaughtered in a fantastic Valentine’s Day massacre. Capone, dictator of crime until the FBI turned its heat on him.

Man: Now we got your books, your records. The next thing we’re going to get is you.

Man 1: He turned an American metropolis into a bullet scarred battleground.

Timothy: Let’s consider the gangster Al Capone and the trial that put him in prison.

Intro: Welcome to the Consider Podcast where we turn our minds to consider wisdom, madness and folly. Join the host Timothy and Jacob on a quest to have God enlighten the mind according to verse 25 of Ecclesiastes chapter 7. So, I turned my mind to understand. To investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly. Ecclesiastes 7:25. The Consider Podcast examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities at www.consider.info.

Timothy: What’s the number one rule, Jacob? For beginning to study about what justice might be and what it might look like.

Jacob: Ignore the crime.

Timothy: Ignore the crime. I tell you that trailer for that movie. You pretty much didn’t need to see the movie after it was played. I don’t know if they’re that long anymore or not, but we’re going to discuss rule number one a little bit more in detail. But before we do that I actually want to summarize or bring down to a botPaul-line point of what rule number one is. Let’s go to first Timothy chapter 5 verse 22. It’s really pretty simple. When you enter the courtroom, I don’t care if you’re a judge defense in the jury, jury pool, or whatever. If you claim to be a disciple of Jesus and you’re following him he will work this scripture and you if you’re dead enough to self to hear his voice and to be obedient first chapter five verse 22. Jacob, go ahead and read that for us.

Jacob: “Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, and do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.”

Timothy: “Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands.” In other words, don’t be quick to say I’m united with this person or I agree with them. Now I know this is applied to the church, but it’s supplied outside because what does he say? “Keep yourself pure, do not share in the sins of others.” So, there’s this independence, this power and strength that should be in every Christian or disciple that is following Jesus that is keeping himself or herself clean from the sins of other people. The fool or the semi-Christian or the culture, old Christian goes into the jury pool and they’re just ignorant and they’re just fools. Do not share, do not be partners with them. I’m not telling you not to find a guilty verdict or an innocent verdict. I’m not telling you to one or another. You just need to be sure by the power of the holy spirit in obedience with the word of God as God works that out that you are keeping yourself pure and not sharing in the sins of anybody else. Jacob, anything you want to add to that before I kind of press on to the other stuff?

Jacob: No, that sounds good.

Timothy: Alright, let’s go ahead and play the file on rule number one and I’ve gone through some more points and tried to clarify and we’ll come back and discuss this a little bit.

Video: Welcome to the Consider Podcast where we seek to understand justice and justice alone. The number one rule to apply when discussing justice is, “Forget the crime.” To understand what Justice and Justice Alone is, we must A, ask who is making the accusation and prosecution. B, what methods of being employed to gain evidence and a guilty verdict. C what is the level of righteous ingrained throughout the prosecution? Let us then forget the crime and examine the nature of what is excellent justice. “Appoint judges and officials for each of your tribes in every town the Lord your God is giving you, and they shall judge people fairly. Do not pervert justice or show partiality. Do not accept a bribe for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists the words of the righteous. Follow justice and justice alone, so that you may live and possess the land the Lord your God is giving you. Deuteronomy 16:18-24. The Consider Podcast. Examining today’s madness, folly and wisdom. www.consider.info.

Timothy: Deuteronomy 16, “Appoint judges and officials for each of your tribes in every town the Lord your God is giving you.” And they shall judge the people fairly. I’m going to ask the obvious question Jacob. Do we see that anywhere in the United States?

Jacob: No.

Timothy: Not even close.

Jacob: Not even close.

Timothy: “Do not pervert justice or show partiality.” Okay. Alright. Well, okay this is like a stupid question number one. Jacob, do you see lawyers and judges and prosecutors and everybody else having no partiality toward anybody?

Jacob: No.

Timothy: No. I’m not going to take the time to kind of dive into that the moment we’d be we’d literally would be here all day long.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: And of course, if you’re going to show partiality, you’re going to pervert justice. They go hand in hand. Why do you think there’s so much talk of like it’s a democratic judge and you know exactly how they’re going to come out, or the Republican. We know exactly how they’re going to come out. In the same way there’s no impartiality to the situation or going really back to the constitution and ensuring that everything’s in its proper place or understanding what wisdom is to make a ruling. So, it gets perverted and there’s partiality everywhere. Says, “Do not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twist.” Look at that. “Twist the words of the righteous.” In the hate crime that we went through and the trial that we went through which was a good 30 days long clearly the words of the righteous are being twisted and perverted, correct?

Jacob: Yes.

Timothy: Well, there’s a bribe going on there. Jacob, put up the graphic there of the Associate Supreme Court Justice Robert H Jackson. He was the head of the Nazi war crime trials very intelligent man spoke a lot about justice and righteous. I can’t say he’s right on everything, but there was a great deal that’s impressive to hear from a judge. And he sought to make that happen even though the Nazi war crime trials fell short of the goal. But the truth here of what he says is, “Men are more often bribed by their loyalties and ambitions than by money.” So, this is a judge that knew what he was talking about. He knew it was rampant. We certainly saw that going on the judges put out by the judges and so on. It was easy to tell their loyalty was toward the police or toward the government.

Certainly, facts didn’t really have to do with anything. Well, not any a little bit didn’t have anything to do with what was going on. So, they were bribing each other, patting each other back. The flattery among prosecutors and police is just huge so there’s no way for them to detect their sin. We have to ignore the crime and understand what’s going on. We saw that I think in one of the last podcasts we just did where it was Satan talking to Eve to prosecute God. Well, clearly it was Satan talking. So, the first requirement that we talk about is who is making the accusation he was doing the prosecution? In the same way when you find somebody making charges or taking the stand for the prosecutor right? You have to ask who is this is actually testifying.

We’ve discussed before what really is a crime against justice that the justice system is allowed to go and find individuals in prison or offer those that are on their way to prison if they will testify on behalf of the prosecution. That’s just bribery on a gross level and you’re not going to get the truth at all. If I were sitting in the jury pool, all day long you could bring a prisoner in and say, yeah, I heard I wouldn’t believe it. Well, let me rephrase it. I would discount it. I’m not even going to bother listening to it. I don’t care how noble they are. Why do you think especially under false sexual allegations they will not let the person actually interview or confront or get to the truth with a false accuser. So, you’re not able to ask well who’s making the accusation here? What character is this man or woman that’s testifying that they abuse somehow? What’s going on behind the scenes? What was going on in the family? Are they prone to lying? Do they raise children that lie? And so on and so forth. You’re not allowed to do that.

So, you can’t even begin to talk about there being a fair trial when it comes to these hot button issues that are going on in our country right now. Really, they’re just lynch mobs and setup situations because you can’t get to the truth. They’re not going to let you get to the truth and you’re not able to even do step number one or point A which is who is making the accusation and the prosecution. You can’t even get the full details on prosecutors or on judges. It’s very difficult to get information. Most people showing up for a jury trial don’t even know who they’re going to go before. Am I correct on that Jacob?

Jacob: Correct.

Timothy: So, they can’t even research who who’s the prosecutor. Who’s the judge? Who’s making the accusation? We’re not allowed to do it. As a Christian, don’t be quick to lay your hands then on this trial and go oh well I or I support these people or they get me all worried of. They’re already walking in darkness. They’re keeping you from seeing the truth and you’re not allowed to even examine who and what they are. When’s the last time you heard of a prosecutor taking a drug test before he did a prosecution? There’s no accountability whatsoever. There’s no.

Does he have other crimes that he’s committed? DUIs, anything else that shows how many cases did he set somebody up and the person came back later and was found to be false and so on and so forth. Who is making the accuse and who’s making the prosecution? B, of course, what methods are being employed to gain evidence in a guilty verdict? It’s obviously easy to say, back when King Charles, the VIII, they put people in a torture of them to get a confession, right? Isn’t that wrong?

Jacob: Yes.

Timothy: The method is wrong. It’s right. It’s proper. It’s actually holy and righteous to keep me from sharing in the sins of the legal system. I have to ask what were the methods by which they got misinformation. I know the Supreme Court just ruled that you have to say I want a lawyer in a certain way at a certain time and even that doesn’t count. I want to know what the methods were by which this person either gave a confession or was brought to trial. I want to know what the fine details of what this policeman did.

We’re going to see this here in a moment in Al Capone’s case. How that corruption now has led all the way down here and has increased and we’re all in trouble because they cheated when they were putting Al Capone in prison. So what methods are being employed? How well is it being researched? What is being looked at? How did they gain the evidence? Clearly, we all say well if a policeman plants drugs that’s bad. That’s about the best we can get to and you know how hard it is to catch that situation? Very difficult.

Now with cameras it may be a little bit easier, but they’ve turned now to more of a lynch mob mentality here. So, they don’t have to plant drugs. They can just plant emotions and they bring witnesses on the stand and I remember there was a court case where I’m not sure what went on. Something about contracts or whatever and homes or whatever. So, the prosecution filmed the people giving the testament because they all the people were weeping and emotional distress on the stand, and so they went to appeal then they could play that again. So, what’s the method here? Are you just reinforcing a behavior and a weeping and crying. The minute that they know and I’m sure the prosecution told them we’re going to bring in cameras and record the emotional distress you went through and communicate that to the jury. So, the cameras are hot. What are people going to do, Jacob?

Jacob: They’re going to weep and cry.

Timothy: There and especially more so as children are being raised, they’re constantly in front of a camera. So, you lay the camera there, you get going, all the emotions ring out, prostitution has you right where you want. You’re still going to weep and you’re going to cry. So, what methods are being employed to gain the evidence and a guilty verdict. And you know what, with all the electronic stuff and the things that government’s able to do. Planting evidence now, you have to assume that maybe going on If somebody’s on the stand saying, I didn’t write that or I didn’t do that or that was planted, you absolutely have to take it serious and I would want proof that it wasn’t tampered with.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: It’s the duty and the responsibility of the prosecution state to demonstrate just how separate and independent and how they got this evidence. And then the number C, what is the level of righteousness ingrained throughout the prosecution? That is how holy and how or, I’m not going to put holy because you’d have to be a Christian. But how righteous being right about every single aspect of what’s going on? Is the jury being manipulated before it gets there? How is the court conducting itself? How was he treated? Was he put in solitary confinement for 30 days? Was he broken and worn down? If any of these things do not speak of righteousness as a Christian, as a disciple of Jesus, do not participate in the sins of the state of worship. Or whatever state you’re in. Don’t participate in their sins. Far better to be kicked off the jury pool than to go in and share in the sins of what’s going on.

Now God may call you to go all the way through and I would highly encourage you to do so if God does. But know that when you’re in there you’re probably not there really that much to cite guilt or innocent on somebody that’s accused of a crime. There’s a lot more going on a lot of people’s souls that are at stake. Anything on that Jacob?

Jacob: No.

Timothy: Alright, so let’s forget the crime and examine the nature of what excellent justice is and let’s find out what that would look like. Jacob, would you serve on a jury? Let me rephrase this because I’m trying to get it just right. Al Capone, he was a mobster, right?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Bad guy.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: did he have his own rules and laws and concepts?

Jacob: Oh yeah, he was very strict on stuff. Alright, so very organized in fact that’s one of the things if you do some research on, he was a great organizer, great businessman or whatever however you want to look at that. If Al Capone called you and said, yeah Jacob, I’ve got a couple of guys here, I’m not sure what to do with him. Here’s the rules, we whack people over here, we do this or we break their legs over here or sometimes I let him go. And I’m just not sure what to do because it’s like in these gray areas. Would you serve on Al Capone’s jury?

Jacob: No.

Timothy: Why not?

Jacob: Because he’s a mobster and it’s corrupt and he’s breaking people’s legs.

Timothy: Alright, so you wouldn’t serve because he acts like a gangster, looks like a gangster and he is a gangster.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Is that what you’re saying?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: So, obviously you’re willing to get your legs broken or you yourself all whacked up To turn down Al Capone, right?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Well, he is a loving family man. You didn’t know that right?

Jacob: He’s a loving family man. I’m sure he was. And he could have been to his family.

Timothy: Well, let’s play the tape of his voice and listen to what he says. His logic’s good and he’s a loving family man.

Al Capone Voice: I came to Chicago with $40 in my pocket. My son is now twelve. I’m still married and I love my wife dearly. We had to make a living. I was younger than I am now and thought I needed more. I didn’t believe in prohibiting people from getting the things they wanted. I thought prohibition was an unjust law and I still do.

Timothy: Do you think prohibition was an unjust law, Jacob?

Jacob: That’s a whole, that’s all, you could do a whole show just on that one question.

Timothy: Oh, for sure. We won’t go there but just generally speaking, was it an unjust law?

Jacob: Was it unjust? Well, yeah.

Timothy: Okay, why would it be unjust?

Jacob: Well, again actually you could even break down that particular law and go through all of your points A, B, and C to find out, you know what I mean? If you look at the history of prohibition and how it came about. It came about very sort of like dirty or it was people were being pretty much bribed and twisted in this and that, and you had, I don’t know what almost probably 100 years of America’s was allowed to consume alcohol. And then suddenly, they flipped it and sure enough it only lasted what four years tops and then they flipped it again. So, the whole thing was just kind of, I’m not pro drinking but the way that they even went about implementing all the laws was very like–.

Timothy: That’s pretty good for just thinking off top of your head because I hadn’t planned to go there. So, Al Capone has a point.

Jacob: Yeah. Al Capone had yeah, he has a point.

Timothy: And he showed up $40 in his pocket which would have been a lot more back then, but $40 dollars in his pocket.

Jacob: Still not much though probably.

Timothy: No. And so, 12-year-old child and a wife whom he loves.

Jacob: And he had to make a living.

Timothy: He had to make a living.

Jacob: And the evil government.

Timothy: Doesn’t that sound he didn’t bring about prohibition. They did.

Jacob: Until he starts shooting everybody

Timothy: Okay. Yeah.

Jacob: That’s fall apart.

Timothy: We’ll come back to prohibition some other day. I’ve got some goading comments I’d like to make on that one, but that would be a show for kicks, I think. Alright, so you wouldn’t go along with Al Capone because he’s a gangster, right?

Jacob: Correct.

Timothy: Alright, give me some examples as short as you can of what is a gangster. So, you make a judgement. This guy’s standing before you. He’s a family man. He’s just trying to make bug and the government’s in his way or he’s just taking advantage of the law like every good lawyer and politician. He just take advantage of the law in the loophole. So that’s what he did. He just made his money. So, but he’s a gangster. He’s a bad man. What marks a gangster?

Jacob: Historically, I think gangsters always they were violent. So, oh even in the movie trailer he’s like slapping women. He’s shooting people. There’s what the something massacre. He killed 70 people at once. So, we know that Al Capone pretty much ruled with an iron fist and his word was law and if you didn’t do it, you were whacked.

Timothy: Alright, so I typed some up early this morning. Number one, exactly where I went. Capone had no respect for human life, right?

Jacob: Correct.

Timothy: Kinda like abortion, right?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Yeah, and kind of like our children in public school how they don’t respect the life of our children and they seek to steal them. Interesting. So, gangster number one would equal the United States government.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Number two, Capone stole the freedom of others to achieve his selfish ends. Is that kind of a duh, because I don’t want to be here an hour and a half on this.

Jacob: That was his duh, that was his words or something about like I’m not going to stand in the way of anybody who wants to like, I don’t know something. Yeah, he was like pro do whatever you want and he did whatever he wanted.

Timothy: Correct. So, Camone stole the freedom of others to achieve or something. Who’s that sound like?

Jacob: The government.

Timothy: Alright, number three Capone’s methods laws were arbitrary and confusing.

Jacob: Actually, were they? It’s very clear.

Timothy: Well, they were simplified. Cross me and you get it.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: You understand.

Jacob: Correct.

Timothy: It’s true. I’ve read several of the books. He had both sides. There was a very strict this is the rule. This is the mob what break it and then obviously he could break it or do whatever he want.

Jacob: Correct.

Timothy: What does that sound like? We’re with United States has even passed mob law. At least mob law is clear.

Jacob: Yeah, well exactly.

Timothy: And unfortunately, people are thinking the mob would do a better job than our government which is just a trap of thinking but the point is our laws are even worse than Capone had. At least you understood. You pay them, you don’t pay them, your windows get shot out and it goes on down the line. Who steals our freedoms to achieve selfish ends? Who takes every, the government. Number three, Capone’s methods of laws were arbitrary and confusing. That was in there too. So, that’s why we as normal people get confused. The government has a set of laws, right

Some of them you can begin to pretty understand okay I get that I get that and I don’t know why you can’t tear a tag off a mattress, but I don’t get this, I don’t get this. And so, it starts the more you go deeper, what does it become?

Jacob: Madness

Timothy: Madness and it becomes very confusing so you got some basic rules don’t go 40, don’t do this and even that there’s a little bit of great. But as you move deeper into the law, things that unless you sit around and read law journals, you’re not going to pay attention to and that’s what they come in on you and they begin to bring in arbitrary and confusing things and you just better respect him because that’s what it’s after. It’s a power play.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Four, to give support to Al Capone would be to support things opposite of justice, correct?

Jacob: Correct.

Timothy: And that’s the point that we’re looking at. When we are pulled into a jury situation, we are not to share in the sins of the government and we can’t support things that are unjust. Don’t even ask me, don’t come there. Of course, they send you home. Al Capone was known for obviously being in the darkness. He had this big PR machine of how good he was and all that and a lot of people liked him. Behind the scenes obviously he kept everything secret all the way to keeping it secret from the IRS, from the government, right? That that’s the whole point.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Well, who does that describe? That describes our current government. There’re so many top-secret documents that it’s almost meaningless. In fact, if you really needed a document, you really should just contact the Chinese. It’s all out there no matter how secret it is. But then your local prosecutor whatever try to get the information. It takes forever to get it and a lot of times they don’t want to comply. You get part of it or it’s blacked out. They just hate the light. There was a movement not too long ago a couple years ago for to bring cameras into the federal court system so all the trials will be recorded. Well of course, they nixed that and that never happened.

Well, why is it these courts love the darkness? The rest of us have to be trailed around. Let’s go to John chapter 3 verse 19 and Jacob just read John 3:19 and 3:20 and 3:21. And this is why our government and prosecutors and everybody else like to hide everything in the darkness why they keeping everything to the point you can’t get to. Go ahead Jacob.

Jacob: 19 through 21?

Timothy: Yes.

Mid Point

Jacob: “This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

Timothy: “This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men love darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.” The only reason they don’t want you having the information is because they know they’re up to no good and when their heart or defiled, they can’t do anything correct. Alright, number five on my list of why Capone was a gangster. He was heavily involved in sexual immorality. Brothels, I mean, even though he’s talking about being faithful obviously to his wife or no, he didn’t say that.

Jacob: He said he loves his wife. ‘Dearly’.

Timothy: Dearly. He also died of syphilis in prison. So, that tells you what’s going on. Capone was heavily involved in sexual immorality. Who does that speak of Jacob?

Jacob: Most people today.

Timothy: Well, beyond that, does it speak of our government?

Jacob: Oh, yeah.

Timothy: Okay. So, our government is a gang or a mobster.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Not only that, they’re far worse than Capone. We have legalized sexual perverting on a massive scale. We export it. We go to other countries to try and defile them. They’re gangsters. Number six, Capone extorted submission to himself by force. Duh. Is that our government or not?

Jacob: Yes.

Timothy: It’s all about exerting power and force over us that we might submit. That’s exactly when you approach, if you were called in to Capone’s office, you’re going to submit. But it’s not because you value the guy or you respect him, it’s because he can come after your kids or your family or your livelihood or whatever. So, with submission by force and the more that our government moves that direction, the more that they become corrupt and the more as someone that’s serving on a jury that is a Christian, you just couldn’t participate in. Think of Nazi didn’t start off with well almost did but didn’t start off with all the arcane rules and laws to send Jews to the gas chamber that came later.

Jacob: Correct.

Timothy: So, there were judges and juries that would give the Nazis whatever they wanted. That starts with a government being more like a mob boss and beginning to force that on everybody and people will fall in line. It takes the grace of God. It takes the holiness of God to have the strength and the courage and the power to enter these and not be taken over by their sin. That’s why James says, “Be careful when you try to bring somebody back or when you try to bring them out of sin that you yourself are not tempted and overcome.” I really warn people unless you’re living the full message of the gospel. Marching into these situations, because you think you’re right and because you think you have the grace. You’re liable to fall flat on your face. Send someone to prison that shouldn’t go or not send somebody to prison that should. Number seven, Capone’s temper would flare it moment in time for no rhyme or reason. Who does that sound like?

Jacob: Most police officers today.

Timothy: Exactly. They pull you over or you go to them and to talk to them. And you don’t know what you’re going to get.

Jacob: No, you could say, yeah, oh that’s a whole you know you can go on forever. You can just go check out YouTube and like video after video after video of cops just ripping people out of cars for nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Timothy: Just inflaming. There was one I’d saw the other day. A kid was traveling. He asked the policeman for directions. The policeman gave him directions. So, the guy went into the store and asked the store clerk the same directions. Can you tell me this? He’s probably verifying what the policeman said right?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Well, the policeman comes in and arrest him for doing that. He was indignant and incensed that his dignity or what he was told.

Jacob: The direction he gave weren’t good enough.

Timothy: Exactly.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: So, he literally got arrested. Now whatever you the kid won lawsuit got money. You know that’s so meaningless. I want real change. Why should a policeman ever be so puffed up and thinks he’s so special. I don’t know about you Jacob, but if I ask somebody for directions, I’m trying to listen with all I can but I pretty much know I’m missing something right?

Jacob: Oh yeah, you can only retain so much of it.

Timothy: So, I will oftentimes verify it with somebody else or I’ll go down the road a little bit. It’s just a natural human thing. But because policemen are told they’re special. I mean it’s reflecting the pride of prosecutor, but I don’t want to leave out the judges Jacob. That arrogance all comes from there, and it just gets passed down to the point I’d rather be lost than risk going to a policeman go, hey, how’s it going today.

Jacob: Well, yeah that was the kids one mistake was I guess be naïve.

Timothy: Yes.

Jacob: Don’t talk to him.

Timothy: And it can only get worse. That kind of oppression leads to people doing things that they would not normally do and shouldn’t do but nevertheless that’s what’s happening. Capone would also lie to your face. Especially when they from whatever and not always, but a lot of times if they had decided to whack you off because you were a bad mob person. They would act all friendly like, oh, we’re friends and we’re Buds for life and then the next thing you know, you’re being killed. Who lies to our face? Who come, oh, we’re for your freedom and we’re for you and this tax will take care of this and this tax will do that. It’s all for our good, isn’t it It’s all done with smiles, just like a gang. In fact, you can’t keep up with the taxes.

Number nine, Capone extorted or taxed every single aspect of money that he could get his hands on. Who does that? Who tries to get their hands on every single penny and more of your life?

Timothy: The government.

Jacob: The government, especially prosecutors. I’ve yet to see them talk about reform bring a group of prosecutors in and they go, you know what? We really have too much power and you should pull this away and we’ve got way too much money. We’re milking the system, we’re not really being productive, we’re off on tangents. We’ve really got too much money. It needs to go to the public defender’s office because they’re always on a shoestring and they’re the ones that really need to be beefed up. So, that when we go into this trial, we can really get on with getting the truth to the surface and getting the draws off and see what’s left and so that our convictions are true. And if we find that that person’s innocent from the trial or the jury just says not guilty, we’re going to pay all their legal fees. Ever heard of that?

Jacob: No.

Timothy: Of course not. In fact, by the way, I’m going to throw this in there and we may come back to it later. One of the big reforms that could happen that’s easy to do could be done at a stroke of a pen. You ever heard of it when a jury is locked, or they call it a mistrial.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Well, that should be the same as innocent. That there the state should not get a second chance and they got one shot, one chance.

Jacob: Correct.

Timothy: There’s their evidence presented.

Jacob: They’re innocent.

Timothy: If they can’t get a locked jury is the same thing as innocent.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: It means they couldn’t come to a conviction. So, the person should be let go, and well I’ll stop there because I just like to get that one reform. That would like be so easy to do and would stop a lot of this nonsense. Because all that happens is the prosecution learns from what it did. Well, how can we corrupt the court?

Jacob: How can we twist this to get out?

Timothy: How can we torture this way? And then the poor defendants probably already broke from the first trial. Let alone to the second trial and then it’s destroying marriages and families and kids from on there. The base prosecutors are, I don’t know if they’re clueless or not, but they certainly are going to pay a heavy price for the ripple effect of destruction that has gone on throughout the United States and how it’s just crumbled everything because of this nonsense. So, I’ll repeat that one more time. You should go to your prosecutor, your legislator, or whatever you want to do or if you’re called to Jersey and say, if this is locked, I expect that person to be let go and I expect you to pay all their legal bills.

Alright. Number 10. Capone have the supporters of some powerful shakedown artists. Lying accusers and the support of much of the populous because he gave them what they wanted. Now who does that sound like Jacob? I need to read that again.

Jacob: Yeah, you need to read that again.

Timothy: Capone had the support of some very powerful shakedown artists. He had lying accusers. He had those who in the populace support him because he did give to a lot of charity causes.

Jacob: Oh yeah, he had everybody he had everybody on the take.

Timothy: Correct. Everybody’s on the take. Everybody was geared toward him. And so, he’s able to shake down whatever it is wants to do. My point, I’m really all trying to say here is the state has a real shakedown mechanism going.

Jacob: Oh yeah, they control it all.

Timothy: Correct. So, in summary, you would not help Capone because he lied, he cheated, he deceived, he tortured, did he mean? He was vengeful. He kept in secret what he did. He extorted submission. He taxed for his protection was sounding justified for every action he took, correct?

Jacob: Yeah, he’s a gangster.

Timothy: He’s a gangster. Alright, so let’s talk about his trial then and what are we going to do? Capone’s a bad guy, right?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: But we’re going to forget the crime. Look at how he was put in for tax evasion.

Video: Bair, Deirdre, Al Capone, page 234, Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group. There were many gray areas in the laws pertaining to the relatively new income tax. Since the 16th amendment was passed in 1913, tax laws were so unsettled that they were being rewritten all the time, as both criminals and ordinary citizens were crowding appeals court dockets throughout the country. In Capone’s case, the government’s evidence was heavily dependent on the testimony of highly suspect criminal witnesses who were likely to change it on a personal whim or a perceived threat of retaliation.

They were also statutes of limitations, and in this case, many had already expired, and Capone’s lawyers should have known it. If they did know, they did nothing to have the charges invalidated. They did not question the Uber about these discrepancies, perhaps because the five years allowed for prosecution and array that come and gone and the statute of limitations was in effect. The prosecution well knew this but the jury did not, and lawyers in later years who have studied the trial agree that they heard and think should have made this point.

Johnson and his staff held their collective breast as they waited for them to object to the testimony and asked the judge to advise the jury that Hoover’s testimony was inadmissible. But the challenge never came. Wilkerson, who knew it had expired, allowed the reverend’s testimony to stand because, if the defendant’s lawyers did not object, the judge was not obligated to draw their attention to it. It proved to be severely damaging. A setback from which Ahern and Fink never recovered. (Bair, Deirdre, Al Capone, page 234, Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group).

Timothy: Most people understand and know if you know about Capone, he was put in prison for tax evasion. But they don’t realize it’s the time that Capone was being tried for tax evasion. The tax code was just really kind of being introduced. There was a huge amount of gray areas, and it’s funny to say but the IRS back then couldn’t even figure out what the law was saying. But it was really going through a development stage. You get what I’m saying? It’d be like, yeah, I needed this one, I needed tax, I don’t just don’t know how to do this. So, it’s a lot of gray areas.

So, what the government did and very few people actually paying taxes because it’s stuff always starts off small. They had an amnesty period where you could just freely go in and go okay well what is the law what are we supposed to do. Because what the IRS was doing was trying to get feedback from people going, okay, well how do we tax this and how does it apply, and they were just getting their running legs on. Keep that in mind because what that you’re going to see here as I read this is, “Al Capone statute of limitations, for what they tried him for was gone. Legally, they could not put him on the stand and try him for tax evasion, because the time period had passed that allowed them to do that.

So, let me read something here, “There were many gray areas in the laws pertaining to the relatively new income tax. Since the 16th amendment was passed in 1913, tax laws were so unsettled that they were being rewritten all the time, as both criminals and ordinary citizens were crowding appeals courts throughout the country.” Got it?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: I want to make sure I’m reading this, right? “In Capone’s case, the government’s evidence was heavily dependent on the testimony of a highly suspect criminal witness who are likely to change on a personal whim or perceived threat of retaliation.” The same people that Capone had employed a manipulated, right. Fear of retaliation. All of that. That’s exactly what the government was doing.

Jacob: They were using the same guy.

Timothy: They’re using the same guy.

Jacob: With both gangsters, mobsters

Timothy: And the same methods.

Jacob: Yeah, exact same methods.

Timothy: Now here’s the important part at least from a legality standpoint. “There were also statutes of limitations, and in this case, many had already expired, and Capone’s lawyers should have known it. If they did know, they did nothing to have the charges invalidated.” Got the picture?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Now here’s where the corruption goes deep. They did not question Hoover about these discrepancies.

Jacob: Discrepancies.

Timothy: Thank you. Perhaps because the five years allowed for prosecution of the raid had come and gone and the statute of limitations was in effect. Now here’s the corruption that is dark and deep. “The prosecution well knew this, but the jury did not.” So, the prosecution is cheating and is lying and for some bizarre satanic reason judges and prosecutors do not feel obligated to tell you what your charges are or how the law applies, they can withhold all kinds of information to trick you. In this case, most of what Al Capone was being tried for shouldn’t even been done. In fact, one of the things in the defense was he had tried to work out an agreement to pay taxes but that’s a sub issue.

“The prosecution well knew this, but the jury did not, and lawyers in later years have studied the trial agree that Adhern and Fink should have made this point.” So, they put the blame back on the defense. That’s absurd. When we go to trial, understand this, if you go to trial, it is the full responsibility to state fully what the crime is what the laws are. And I’ve yet to hear them do it they won’t go through all that they’ll just say, we’ll prove he did this, we’ll, prove he did that. Well, I want to know what laws don’t just tell me it’s 16 counts of this. You give me the exact warning of the law because when you give me the evidence, I’m going to measure it against the law that you just gave me and there better not be any tricks behind the scenes or some part you left out. When the policeman takes the stand, he should be obligated under punishment of prison to disclose the full truth and the whole truth of every situation.

Alright. “Johnson and his staff,” that’s the prosecution, “held their collective breaths as they waited for them to object to the testimony and ask the judge to vise a jury that Hoover’s testimony was inadmissible. But the challenge never came.” This judge and these prosecutions are willingly deceiving a jury in order to gain a conviction. You better believe that when you go in there, you’re talking about a group of people that willingly deceive, willingly lie in the state of Washington, they Will not even prosecute liars.

Says, “Wilkerson, who knew it had expired allowed the reverend’s testimony to stand because, if the defendant’s lawyers did not object, the judge was not obligated to draw their attention to it.” So, they have put into the law that they can hide in darkness. When you’re being prosecuted, they have put into the law that the policeman can lie on the stand or he doesn’t have to say it exactly right or he doesn’t have to tell everything. The judge can hide things from juries and say these things over here. Only simps for the state show up for jury duty. That’s just my personal opinion. Anything on that so far, Jacob?

Jacob: I just think it’s crazy how these judges and lawyers, the prosecutors, they went to law school, and so they know the laws. But then you or I, we were expected to know the law too like we’re not lawyers. It’s crazy that they always talk about, you’re supposed to get or originally, you’re supposed to get a jury of your own peers and yet they told don’t do that. Because anybody who goes to the jury selection process, that’s a whole Dog and Pony show. And so, they’re cherry picking who they want, the dumb people, people they can manipulate, people who can be emotionally whatever. That’s not a jury of your peers then I’m just throwing it out there. But if that means in theory for Al Capone since he was a gangster, shouldn’t they round it up nothing but a bunch of gangsters to be on the jury because those are his peers. That’s a stretch.

Timothy: But it would be a fun discussion because there there’s probably a couple prisoners that would solve through what the prosecution was doing.

Jacob: They might have.

Timothy: Yeah. And they could have done a better job at it.

Jacob: That’s kind of, I’m kind of a side thing. But it’s crazy that we’re supposed to be lawyers because the judges and the prosecution don’t tell, you know what I mean? They know the laws. We don’t know the laws but yeah, they don’t tell us. It’s crazy.

Timothy: Oh, and it’s so convenient. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Excuse me. Judges have to go to law school for how long?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: And they get like 30 days, 90 days.

Jacob: And you have to pass the bar.

Timothy: And you have to go back and look at the law. They have to pass the bar. Well see where’s your state they stopped giving the bar exam. So, I’m not even sure they picked that back up.

Jacob: Yeah, I don’t know.

Timothy: So, who knows what’s coming through the system. But the point is yeah, we’re supposed to walk even in our daily life as if we were the law.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: If we understood all the law, that’s why if they want you, they’re just going to if you ask for directions and you don’t like the cops’ directions, he’s liable to haul you in.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: And then you’d have to go through all the Morgan Road even remotely get not justice but compensation. I made my point clear. It’s a little hard reading all this stuff about these trials and anything I kind of didn’t make.

Jacob: No, I think it’s clear.

Timothy: Alright. Take us out of here, Jacob.

Outro: This has been the Consider Podcast at www.consider.info where yesterday’s folly is today’s madness. In the beginning, the unrepentant sinners words are folly. At the end, they are wicked madness. Ecclesiastes 10:13. Judgement begins with the house of God. Therefore, let everyone who loves the Lord with an undying love pick up their cross and walk the talk. As Peter the wrote. “Therefore, prepare your minds for action. Be self-controlled”. First Peter 1:13-14. The Considered Podcast, examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities. www.consider.info.


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