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82 Year Old & Trash Bill Arrest

82 year old & trash bill arrest
Timothy
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Timothy: So, I can just see it, we need to live this and somebody comes to visit or it gets down to the rumor mill to the local police who are King James* only and they didn’t like me anyway and so, oh guess what? When he walks in the room everybody stands up. So, it gets perverted.  * Enumclaw Police, Enumclaw Washington

82 year old & trash bill arrest


Ecclesiastes 2:12
Then I turned my thoughts to consider wisdom, and also madness and folly.



Transcript

Welcome to The Consider Podcast, where we turn our minds to consider wisdom, madness, and folly. Join the hosts Timothy and Jacob on a quest to have God enlighten the mind according to verse 25 of Ecclesiastes chapter 7. So, I turned my mind to understand, to investigate, and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things, and to understand the stupidity of wickedness, and the madness of folly. Ecclesiastes 7:25. The Consider Podcast, examining today’s events and tomorrow’s realities at www.consider.info.

Timothy: We’re going to dive into some legal stuff today. We’re going to talk about an 82-year-old woman who hadn’t paid a $77 and 80 cent trash bill. Naturally, as you can guess, the police arrested her, handcuffed her, hauled her downtown. Let’s begin to talk about legal code number S3, Sub-Section E15, 1966. Again, we’re going to play the information. You’re going to want to take notes. This is legal code because we’re talking about a $77 trash bill from an 82-year-old woman. This is important. She violated Legal Code S3, Sub-Section E15, 1966. Jacob, roll that information.

So, gentlemen you can see the necessity for some form of legal authority here on the island.
Exactly. What we need is law and order.
I suggest we elect a sheriff and the sooner the better.
He’s going to seal weapon.
You what?
Mr. Howell attempted jail break. Marianne for aid and abetting. Ginger for the municipal code.
Gilligan, how could you do such a thing?
It wasn’t easy. The girls put up a good fight.
A good officer knows how to use his power, not misuse it.
The law is the law.
Okay, captain Bly.
When I took my oath as guarding as police I vowed to… Yeah, here it is. It hurt. Oh, my karate pinky.
That’s not the only thing that’s going to hurt. Now gimme that key so I can let these people out of jail.
Nothing doing.
Gilligan.
You said, go by the book. And I went by the book.
Gilligan, give me that

Jacob: Yeah, I wasn’t expecting that when you were like, okay, we’re going to roll this file.
When I’m looking at my screen, I’m like, which is hilarious. And then I think it’s funny because at first, you’re all serious, and I’m like, this is going to be good stuff. What are we talking about today, dad? And then, yeah, you rolled Gilligan, that one. And obviously we’re going to get into how serious it is. But it’s also at the same time, just crazy. It’s laughable. The things that, you know, it’s sad, but it’s like insanity.

Timothy: It is. And it’s so stupid to understand. A child could understand it. Gilligan’s Island can present it. This thing is not rocket science to figure out that what they did is wrong.

Jacob: Yeah.

A CDM is ahead of The Consider podcast. A Common Discussion Moment.

Timothy: A common discussion moment is something that’s not elevated to the same level as scripture itself. That’s a whole different topic. In Ezekiel chapter 22, verse 26, scripture says, her priest do violence to my law and they profane my holy things. They do not distinguish between the holy and the common. They teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean, and they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths, so that I’m profaned among them. That’s certainly the church today. In fact, there seems to be this rush to make everything common. Well, it’s kind of like the world. There’s no distinction between what’s holy and what’s righteous. They make fun of everything, in fact, that’s holy or good or clean. So, in the same way the church, being a part of the world has just gone along with that. So, when we talk about these things and we’ve got a lot of legal things and injustice we’re going to look at in the future. I mean, I hope so. I hope the Lord allows that to happen, we’ll see. But on the one hand, we’d be here all day long too. There’s so much of this that goes on. Our own personal experience. I could be here for a long time. We may or may not get to that, but it certainly is on my heart to get there. With that in mind, let me give you a legal disclaimer because this world just wouldn’t be happy unless we had to play a disclaimer.

Disclaimer: The justice and legal segment of The Consider Podcast is only concerned with calling all individuals to repentance. No matter which side of the bar one is on. The demand is for repentance. In accordance with Amos 5:24. Let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream. Nothing discussed should be considered legal advice. Want legal advice? Pay a lawyer. Want justice? Pray to the holy God. As the living God recorded in Deuteronomy 16:20, All must follow justice and justice alone. The listener assumes all responsibility for their actions or refusal to act in accordance with justice and justice alone. Because the legal system hides their corrupt deeds in darkness, any discussion is fraught with inadequate information. The listener should keep in mind that the news media only communicates what sells. Finally, make note that the vast majority of what is called legal is in fact not lawful. The Consider Podcast, examining today’s wisdom, madness and folly. www.consider.info.

Timothy: Jacob, do you know of any churches that have a justice committee?

Jacob: No. Not at all. Never even heard of such a thing.

Timothy: Know any churches that have a retreat, where they talk about justice and God’s justice and what is justice and how should we deal with injustice?

Jacob: None of those. Lots of prayer retreats, getaway retreats, reconnect with God retreats, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Timothy: Yeah, Bless me Retreats, I’m blessed Retreats.

Jacob: You got to do a family retreat. Isn’t that number one? I don’t even know if people, people just go on retreats now.

Timothy: That could be, I don’t know. It may totally be down to coffee and donuts at this point. So. And of course, it would’ve to be organic coffee and would’ve to be what they call fair trade coffee. You’d have to have all kinds of causes in there. But you know, Psalms 9 verse 16 says, The Lord is known by his justice. That’s what he’s known by. Well, there’s nothing in discussion in the church. We leave it up to lawyers to go do our battles. That’s like, I’m not telling you the lawyers don’t have their place, that are like pursuing justice and doing that kind of thing, but we leave it up to our lawyers that. That’s just nonsense. I didn’t think it unusual at the time, but you know that I preached for what, 30 years, maybe at least, maybe 40. I don’t know, the older I get, the longer it seems. But on my desk, you know, people keep all their little blessed sayings on their desk or on the paintings, on their wall with inscription. Most of them are simply, I can do all things through Christ. Of course, meaning they don’t do anything through Christ. But anyway, on my desk was a plaque. And Jacob, what did that plaque say?

Jacob: Serve justice and justice alone.

Timothy: Serve justice and justice alone. So, when people would come in to see me, that’s what they would see sitting on the desk. Now again, it wasn’t anything I did intentionally. Meaning I did intentionally put it on there, but I wasn’t trying to make a point. To love God, is to love justice. To understand what justice is, to see how it should be manifested, and to become indignant in our neighborhoods, in the courts that we’re associated with, and all the things that are around us to become indignant about those things. But the church doesn’t even talk about it. It would take too much work, too much effort. Jacob, you’re going to have to stop me because we’ve been through a lot of injustice. I’ve seen a lot of injustice. But today we’re talking about a trash bill. And what is an 82-year-old woman.

Jacob: 82, yeah.

Timothy: 82. Think about that now. When I was 25, that wouldn’t have meant much. And even when I was 40, okay, 82. Now I’m a little bit closer up to that range. I’m going, you know, that’s significant to haul away an 82-year-old woman, whatever the reason. It’s just a violation, a perversion of the law. They are perverts. And scripture says, perverts who pervert the law will be judged along with all the other perverts. Let me pause here a moment because I want you to contemplate. If your church does not have a justice committee. And this is dangerous to even suggest it because most people don’t have the wisdom to understand; one, what justice is, and how to go about achieving that justice. But let’s just take these Police persons, policemen that we’re looking at. If they’re Christians, they should be confronted by their church. And if they will not repent, they should be kicked out of the church. This is just Ridiculous. Everybody sits by and goes, oh, that’s too bad, or I’d pay the bill. Well, I pay the bill, but there’s no way I’m going to not let these Police officers know that what they did wrong, and they need to repent because God will hold them accountable for taking an 82-year-old woman, handcuffing her and putting her in jail over a trash bill. Jacob, you better play Selah because we need to take a break for just a second.

Jacob: Okay.

Timothy: Anything you want to say at this point?

Jacob: No. I want to hear the full story because I don’t know the full story. I mean, I knew we were going to talk about 82-year-old woman that gets hauled off, but I haven’t listened to the news reels, all that. I don’t even know really.

Timothy: What you just said is refreshing to hear because most people just go off halfcocked or emotional, and in fact, that’s what prosecutors play to. People don’t think, they certainly don’t really seek the living God or what they, okay, here’s what they will do. They’ll be all worked up emotionally. There’s no death to self, there’s no falling to the ground and dying and becoming a different person. They go back and they might pray about a decision on jury duty, but there’s no crucifixion there. And so, all the prayer does is justify a false conclusion.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: But Proverbs 18, verse 13 says, He who answers before listening, that is his folly and his shame. So, we’re going to play the backstory. And I have it read in such a way that it’s like a newscast. And it might be a little bit to listen to. Don’t go skipping around in this particular podcast. Listen, understand what’s happening. There are too many times in my own life where I just wasn’t quick to listen and it created problems, and I repented, and I repented, and repented. I don’t think God’s been able to improve it a lot. So, let’s listen to the backstory and hear what took place.

82-year-old woman detained after failing to make $77 trash payment.
Every day we receive all kinds of bills and invoices in the mail. Some days we open those bills, pay them, and move on. On other days, however, we may put those bills to the side and put out other fires in our personal and professional lives. Even if those bills end up being late, the ultimate penalty usually ends up being a late fee or some other financial penalty. This wasn’t the case for an 82-year-old woman in Alabama. After failing to pay a late $77 trash bill, this 82-year-old woman had an unexpected visit from the local Police. Her experience- including police officers, handcuffing her and taking her from her home sparked outrage on the internet. The ordeal was sparking a discussion of policing, personal responsibility, and how far the justice system should go to enforce laws that are on the books.

The arrest.
Martha Menefield is an 82-year-old resident of Valley, Alabama. Valley is a town of around 10,000 people. It is located on the Alabama, Georgia border and is about a one-hour drive from Birmingham. Menefield spent her early years in West Point, Alabama, which is located in the northern part of the state. For 30 years. Menefield has lived in her Valley home. On November 27th, 2022, Menefield opened the door to her home. On her doorstep were two members of the Valley Police Department. Their names have not been disclosed. One of the officers was white and another officer was black. As you can see in the video accompanying Menefield’s arrest, the officers confirmed that they were speaking with Menefield. After doing so, the officers told Menefield that they were serving a warrant. They hadn’t yet disclosed that they were doing so because she hadn’t paid her $77 trash bill. Upon hearing that the officers were serving a warrant, Menefield thought they were joking. She asked why she was being served a warrant. An officer responded by stating that she hadn’t paid her trash bill and that he wasn’t joking. Just before he was about to handcuff Menefield, the officer explained that she should have received a call from Valley’s Code Enforcement division about one month before the arrest. The officer said that Code Enforcement should have explained that she needed to pay her trash bill. Menefield responded by stating that her daughter, Neketti Tucker takes care of her bills. Tucker currently lives in Georgia. Because the bill had not yet been paid, the officer said that Menefield had to leave her home and come to the police station. Ultimately, Menefield expressed her surprise at the news. Beforehand handcuffing her, the officer also said that Menefield would have to pay $285 to leave the police department. If she wasn’t able to cough up that amount, she would then be taken to the county jail. She then asked the officers whether they were going to handcuff her. An officer said yes, began to handcuff Menefield, and said, I’m so sorry, but the law is the law. She asked the officers to let her put a sweater on before leaving her home since she was cold. The officers didn’t uncuff her to let her do so. Instead, they put the sweater over her shoulders, tied it to her body, and then escorted her to the officer’s vehicle. According to a press release posted by Valley Police Chief Mike Reynolds, Menefield was taken and processed at the Valley Police Department. She was later released on bond. Menefield, later spoke with Nextar Media Wire stating that, “I’m just happy my grandkids weren’t here to see that. That would’ve upset them. I was so ashamed and it’s been bothering me.”

The response to Menefield’s arrest
Menefield’s arrest sparked significant anger and outcry on social media channels. Valley Police Department’s press release attracted around 6,100 comments and 2,200 shares. Most of the comments are negative. For instance, one Facebook comment says, “Without government, who would kidnap an 82-year-old for forgetting to pay her trash bill for a couple months? God forbid some of your officers pooled together the less than $100 to pay it. I’m sure it cost way more than that in police resources to arrest her.” Another Facebook comment expressed disgust towards the situation. “So, we’ve reverted back to the days of debtor’s prison?” It said. “This is shameful Valley, absolutely shameful. Have you not noticed that times have been tied for a lot of people lately? Senior adults are typically on a fixed income. Why did no one work with her on ways to catch up? While there has been a significant outcry against Menefield’s arrest, the Valley Police Department says that the arrest was justified. As alleged in the press release, Menefield has had her power intermittently suspended for decades. Specifically, the environmental services department cited 22 separate incidents where Menefield had services suspended or revoked. Within the past two years, Menefield has had her trash services suspended three times for non-payment. As further described in the press release, Valley Code Enforcement officers were already communicating with Menefield before her arrest. Specifically, the press release says that Menefield hadn’t been paying for trash services in June, July, and August 2022. When this occurred, Code Enforcement tried to contact Menefield several times. Specifically, Code Enforcement tried calling her and visiting her residence. When Code Enforcement couldn’t get in touch with Menefield, Code Enforcement representatives left a hangar on her door. The hangar among other things, contained contact information that Menefield could use to resolve the situation. Because the issue wasn’t resolved, Code enforcement issued a citation in August, 2022. The citation related to non-payment for trash services that occurred in three months; June, July, and August. The press release also says that the citation indicated that Menefield needed to appear in court before September 7th, 2022. Once she did not appear in court by that date, the court issued an arrest warrant.

Continuing debate over the arrest.
Much of the discussion about Menefield’s arrest centers on why Valley Police Department officers had to detain her over a seemingly benign offense, a $77 trash bill. Critics of the arrest argue that the arrest shouldn’t have occurred due to Menefield’s age and the fact that her offense was a late payment. Neketti Tucker, Menefield’s daughter argued that this isn’t a criminal act. This is civil, if anything. On the other hand, the Valley Police Department argues that it had no choice but to proceed with the arrest. According to its press release, Valley police officers can use discretion in certain arrests, but not this one. It states that once an arrest warrant is issued by a court and signed by a Magistrate, Valley police officers cannot exercise discretion when arresting the subject of the warrant. Regardless of the police department’s discretion in the matter, Menefield’s arrest has galvanized charitable social media users. Several Facebook users volunteered to pay Menefield’s trash bill. That said, according to Tucker, those individuals had their offers rejected by Valley City officials. While both Menefield and the Valley Police Department have their viewpoints on the arrest, the story has spread beyond the Alabama borders.
The public at large continues to debate whether the arrest was justified and how law enforcement should exercise its power with more vulnerable members of the community.

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Timothy: There’s kind of a lot there to consider. Any quick thoughts, Jacob, before we kind of dive in?

Jacob: Yeah, I mean there’s a lot to consider. I think, we could break this down. We could actually talk hours, I mean, we could go hours. But I think one of the worst, it says in there that the police officers had no choice. They have no choice but to arrest this woman in the way they did it. They had no choice. What are you talking about? You have no choice.

Timothy: It’s a Gilligan Island, I know. The law is the law.

Jacob: The law is the law. Yeah. By the book.

Timothy: Can I have a sweater? Can I have a sweater? No, I’m not going to uncuff you because the law says, once you’re cuffed, you’re always cuffed. I don’t know. So, they put it over her shoulder. Oh, what kindness that is? I know. That was the first thing that jumped out on me. You got all the legal, like various points. So, we’re going to demolish that here in just a moment, in one quick, swift thing. But, let me back up because we both need to take a breath, right? Are you telling me that the police never do favors for other policemen or their wives? You need to tell me, the law is the law no matter if it’s a fellow policeman or a fellow cop or a judge, nobody ever just ignores the law. That’s what you’re trying? This is like so laughable.

Jacob: Yeah, it’s laughable.

Timothy: It’s beyond Gilligan’s Island. I mean, seriously. You and I know current stories, I mean, current stories of the police are a little offended, or there’s a discussion with the neighbor, and you got SWAT teams showing up because why? Not because the law is the law. Those policemen are violating every law. But because it’s one of their own, because it involves them, oh, everybody comes to the record and it gets like totally put to the side. I know I got to take a breath. I’m going to use an old story because to use a new story might bring out some of the relevant things going on today. But we’ll probably eventually get there. But learned this early on. When I was going to school, I was late to class. So, it’s a little drizzly and a little rainy. I’m zipping in and out of traffic. Early in the morning, 8 o’clock. Our class was at eight and I’m like 7:45, whatever. So, I get pulled over. Rightly so. Gives me a ticket. He was mad and he had a right to be mad, but he was very professional. Wrote me the ticket, gave me the ticket. All right, so then I drove on to class. By the way, tickets have quite diminished since the Lord got a hold of me. So, let’s just put it that way. All right, so I go to class. It’s lunchtime. There’s somebody else that I know and we’re in that person’s car. And we’re driving totally different road, totally different section, traveling to where we’re going to go eat. He gets pulled over for a speeding ticket, same day, just at noon. Same police officer. I’m sitting there and at that point you’re kind of laughing at the situation. So that person gets a ticket also. So, on the same day, same police officer, same way we both get tickets. Well, guess what? He was dating somebody whose dad was a police officer. So, I talked to him a couple weeks later. I paid my ticket, did my thing. Well, he didn’t have to pay his ticket. It just disappeared. It went into the system and was gone. Of course, being the good friend that he is, nobody took care of mine. He didn’t say, hey, I can talk to them and get it dropped. I’d have gone for it, not now, but back then I would’ve. So, I learned very clearly, quick on, the law is not the law. And so, let us not kid ourselves. Those police, they ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. They should be repenting to utter the words; the law is the law. It’s complete nonsense. It’s a lie. Somebody pass me a vomit bag because that’s the last thing that happens. We know of certain prosecutors right now, or a prosecutor who got pulled over for a DUI. Well, somehow the blood analysis or the breathalyzer never made it into the court system. How does all these things happen? It’s not because the law is the law. The sin here… The pastors in that town ought to be in an uproar because you think this is small, you think this is insignificant. When you let this stuff go on, it only increases. So, when there is an important case or the mob gets all riled up, injustice is a result. These policemen, the police chief, whoever, they think they’re all justified in what they did. That’s dangerous. That is dangerous stuff that can lead to, and I’m not kidding here, nor am I exaggerating, can lead to a Holocaust situation. And I’ll get to that in a moment. Jacob, you got some thoughts?

Jacob: Well, and how many people were involved in this situation? So, right now we’re specifically talking the madness, is the officers. But you had the Code Enforcement people. There would’ve been the person that, supposedly there was a hanger stuck on the door. I mean, there was a whole bunch of people involved. And then the other sad thing is, this is also the Bible belt. So, there is absolutely zero possibility that one or two or possibly all of these people actually claim to be Christians and actually go to church. You know, if we were talking about crooked, corrupt, Seattle Godless police officers, to a certain extent, like, what do you expect? But this is Alabama, this is the heart of the Bible belt. So, that’s almost the more scary and serious side, is that there’s no way that some or all don’t claim to be Christians, and this is how they’re living their lives.

Timothy: Well, amen to that. You know, the other thing too is, you have to assume that every official, every police officer is lying from. From the experience, and I’ve had multiple experience. When they say they called, they didn’t call.

Jacob: Oh, yeah.

Timothy: They called in a certain way that they didn’t actually get ahold of you. But they could say they called. I’ve had that happen. I’ve requested information. There was the hate crime that went on. They were supposed to mail me information. Somehow, they always got the wrong address. And when I corrected them, they used the other address. Every shenanigan goes on. When they say they call, oh yeah, they let the phone ring a half time and hang up. When they say put, they put a flyer on the door, you got to check, did they really latch it to the door, or did a bluff, or did they even show up? If you’re called to jury duty, and I’m not telling people what to do. I wouldn’t even qualify for jury duty. They’d get rid of me because I’ve got some serious questions. But if you go to jury duty, you have to, in this day and age, assume that police officer is lying, that judge is manipulating, and the authorities are flat out telling lies because of the number one thing they do. And the only thing they do, is protect themselves. This is the ironic part about this. It has nothing to do with the law, nor the spirit of the law, or what the law even says. They’re there, they’re macho. They can do whatever they want. The Supreme Court unlawfully says that they can. They can handcuff grandmothers and it feeds their ego all day long. They are back at the police station feeding their little power egos. And so, when they’re let loose and once, they’re headed in that direction, you’re not going to stop them. They’re just bees that do not think about what they’re doing, but act on instinct. And the churches down there need to rise up and deal with this little stuff and call these individuals to repentance. And they need to repent. And if they don’t repent, and are Christians, kick them out of the church. I can’t get much stronger than that at this moment.

Jacob: Yep.

Timothy: All right. So, what are we dealing with here? Let’s go to Mark chapter 2, verse 24. You have to realize the Pharisees of old are the lawyers of today. They’re experts in the law. Back in Roman times, there was all these kinds of divisions. The Pharisees were quote unquote the lawyers, and then there were lawyers. And if you want all that, go to your local sermon and you can get all the history you want. But here’s the point. Mark chapter 2, verse 24. The Pharisees said to him, look, why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath? The law is the law. Why are you doing this? Doesn’t matter what it is. You can’t do this because the law is the law. Mark chapter 2, verse 27, Jesus Christ, the living God, the incarnation of the God that is full of justice, said this. Then he said to them, the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. You who go to jury duty, you who interpret the law, you have to have first that you are made in God’s image. You are responsible for reflecting that image. And every law has one purpose and one purpose only. And when it deviates from that purpose, it becomes demonic in nature. It becomes sinful in nature. It is corruption. Every law was made to benefit man, not benefit the system, not benefit the police, not benefit the judge. And yet we see what within the court system right now, that every law, every judge thinks it’s supposed to benefit them. Let me stop. Jacob, you got any responses?

Jacob: No, I’ll go ahead and let you keep going.

Timothy: Oh, well

Jacob: I’ll trim that up.

Timothy: There’s so much. Oh no, leave it in there. It doesn’t matter. This is highly, our God is a God of justice. And why the Christian Church does not rise up to hold up a god of justice? Well, I know why. Because it would cost them. I made plenty of enemies in legal enforcement because you expose the hypocrisy, the crimes that they commit. Well, it starts with a $77 trash bill, it’s just nuts. Anybody who sets aside their conscience and shows up to arrest an 82-year-old woman and does not open his wallet. Look, all the fines they have illegally taken, all the property the legal system has stolen from people, all the ways they’ve trapped individuals, or made people wear false testimony and have to pay fines. They could take it out of that. Or how about undoing some of the social programs and pay the bill? She’s 82 years old.

Jacob: You know, I wonder, the article doesn’t reference how it was ultimately resolved. It said that she was released on bond. So, somebody had the money. Because, if we follow down the line of like, what could or should the police officers have done, because you could have easily. Which is like, what you’re saying, where like the law’s not the law. They bend the rules every single day. They flat out disobey the law. So, you could have easily just picked her up and they could have not handcuffed her. They could have said, listen, unfortunately, we need to go resolve this now. We’re going to drive you down there. We’ll get this paid and then we’ll drive you home. They could have done that.

Timothy: How about this? Supposedly the Code Enforcement had put a sticker on her door, right? Well, they could have another sticker with them. They clearly got ahold of her. They showed up. She was there. Here’s your sticker, ma’am, pay your bill. But they won’t do anything. They only want to trap; they only want to feed that sinful nature or man. And while I’m indignant, I’m also praying for and hoping for the police chief, these police persons, individuals, policemen, whatever you want to call them, learn to do what’s holy and righteous. So, let’s cut through right now. What’s really missing here? Let’s cut through all the, well, they paid this, or six months here. Leave that to lawyers. They’ll sit there and argue that. If she had the money, she’d spend more on lawyers trying to present even a case. And the prosecutors would just milk this out forever. They’d discuss it forever because they know you’re paying by the hour. They win by oppression. They do not win by truth. So, what’s missing here? What’s the big picture here? Let’s go to Leviticus chapter 19, verse 32. Jacob, there’s a drawing there. You might put that up. Leviticus chapter 19, verse 32. Because here’s what’s missing. There is no respect for the agent, not within the church, certainly not within government. That is totally gone. Even young people show complete contempt for older people. In Leviticus chapter 19, verse 32. And let’s remember that all scripture, all scripture is useful for training, correct?

Jacob: Yes.

Timothy: So, I’m going to ask my usual question. Jacob, have you ever seen this lived out? Go ahead and read Leviticus 19:32.

Jacob: Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly, and revere your God. I am the Lord.

Timothy: Have you ever, ever on any church, an elderly person walks in and everybody in the congregation stands to show respect?

Jacob: No.

Timothy: Well, you just lied.

Jacob: Well, yes, we used to. That’s right. I was referencing, now.

Timothy: I understand. I understand. I set up, didn’t I? Leviticus 19:32. This is an easy scripture. This is easy. And you can’t obey this? That this isn’t sweep the country. All the churches down in, what was it, Alabama, where she’s from?

Jacob: Alabama. Yeah.

Timothy: Can’t see this scripture and go, you know, hey, we can do this. We can do it without the Holy Ghost. We can do it without the power of God. We can just stand up. Old person walks into a church, walks into a room, you’re sitting down at the dinner table, the old person walks in. You rise up in the presence of the aged, and show respect. And by doing that, you’re revering your God. I know, everybody’s too busy being blessed. So, you rise in the presence of the aged. You show respect for the elderly, and by doing so, that honors God. That should be sweeping the nation and every church. So, we’ve got all this talk of revival and all, where’s the obedience, the love for scripture love. Remember when God put this on our heart to preach, right? And so, then people started standing up when I came in the room. So, I said, no, no, I’m not old enough. It was kind of a semi joke. Do you remember that?

Jacob: Yeah, I remember that.

Timothy: Okay. Now, of course I couldn’t get out of that. I’m too old, so you should rise up in my presence. Can you imagine now? I was already accused of being a cult leader among other things, right? So, I can just see. Yeah, we need to live this. And somebody comes to visit or it gets down to the rumor mill, to the local police who, they’re King James only, and they don’t like me anyway. And so, oh, guess what? When he walks in the room, everybody stands up. So, it gets perverted. Because why? If the rest of the churches were living this, if they were actually obedient, it wouldn’t be a thing out of the norm. In fact, the church would be known for showing respect to those who are aged by honoring God. God, he emphasized. He goes, I am the Lord. All right, so how does this apply to what’s going on? Since the law is supposed to be made for man, anyone 82 years old should not have to pay a garbage bill. Anyone that’s 82 years old, their house is paid off, they shouldn’t have to pay taxes on the house. There’s no concept within our law to show respect really to anyone because we’re all made for the law. There’s no concept of, this law’s going to benefit so and so, and when they do, they’re actually perverting it to benefit themselves and they’re using a situation in order to gain power for themselves. But anyone that’s 82 years old shouldn’t have to pay income tax, any type, sales tax, nothing that has to do with tax or basic bills to survive. Now think about it, even if she had a bill that had to do with her finishing paying her house. That should be canceled, 82 years old.
She’s done her debt to society. She’s been a good member.

Jacob: She was there 30 years. She lived in Valley Alabama, 30 years.

Timothy: Correct. We’ve got so many programs out there. Of course, the problem is, I’m saying this, that the government even enacted it, they would control everything or they’d want the house, they’d want her privacy. They’d want her wearing some type of electronic chain to know where she’s at. All I’m really talking about is something simple with an attitude that says, you know what, we’re going to go down the list of laws. All the fees, all the licensees for cars, all the things that go on, and we’re going to begin to show respect for the elderly.
And as far as the state’s concerned, we’re not going to collect any of those things. We’ll pick up your trash for free, ma’am. Wow. How hard would that be?

Jacob: Oh, yeah. True. You know, even the garbage men, because it said that she had been late before, she had been whatever. I mean, how hard would it have been even for the garbage men to, you know, like, oh man, we know that she… I don’t know, now I’m stumbling over.

Timothy: No, no. If you had this attitude or what you’re really saying, are there any Christians that work for the trash company.

Jacob: Sure. Yeah.

Timothy: Okay. So, the Christians at the trash company are the salt of the earth, and they go to whoever runs the company, say, you know, when we got anybody that’s 80 years old, how about we not charge them anything? And I don’t even care if they’re a multi-millionaire. There aren’t that many 80-year-old multi-millionaires for me to worry about it. The point, the whole thing is to show respect. And that’s just an easy way to do it. It’s just not complicated. And yet we get in all these stupid conversations about, well, the law is the law mam, once a warrant is issued, then we got to handcuff you, oh, here’s a sweater for you, haul you downtown with all the rest of these people.

Jacob: Why, and I’m asking this because, why does man just love rules and laws, and like it’s ingrained in us? You know, the law is the law, but that’s just like a thing in our society. And I guess we’re all so sinful and don’t really want to give anybody mercy? I mean, that’s a super broad question, I know. But you know what I mean? Because this is one story of like, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.

Timothy: And we’re going to wait for that till later.

Jacob: Okay.

Timothy: Because you’ve asked a whole series of good questions. And let’s just leave it right now with, people aren’t born again. They’re not born again according to the spirit and truth. You got to have both. There was a current revival that supposedly happened. Oh, okay. Maybe you might have the spirit, but there was no truth involved in what was going on. So, people aren’t really born again there. There are no justice committees. And look, I’m against committees. You know me. Yeah, Jacob. It’s like, I run from committees like they’re the black plague. They do have their place, but do you ever remember me being on a committee?

Jacob: No.

Timothy: Probably was, there was few, but it was like, no, no, let’s get stuff done. Committees don’t get anything done. Anyway, there are those one or two exceptions. Don’t whine everybody. I understand, sometimes you have to. When I say a justice committee, I mean, look, just get together in a prayer meeting. Go to this scripture and let’s all stand in front of the aged and let’s call our local representative. Let’s call our local trash people and tell them to repent. Call these police officers. Oh no, you can’t do that. You’ll probably be arrested for making a complaint. So, you got to do it, go to their church or their elders or some other people, perhaps in the society, in the church, they go, they might be able to bring them to repentance.

Jacob: The other thing that always happens, always. I mean I don’t think I know of a single story where the police officers serve out injustice and then they always lock in, they always dig in their heels. When is there a story… You know what I mean?

Timothy: Yes, yeah.

Jacob: Because even when they arrested her and it’s bad and whatever, then like there still, there still is the opportunity to repent. There still is the opportunity to say, we were wrong, we’re going to make this right. She, will get free trash service for life or whatever. But they dig in their heels and they’re like, we were justified in this arrest. And you’re like, what?

Timothy: And then they wonder why nobody likes them.

Jacob: Yeah. They wonder why nobody likes them. And they wonder why no one wants to give them, you know, defund the police. Yeah. It’s crazy.

Timothy: The police tell us that, never talk to a policeman. Lawyers tell us, never talk to a policeman. And policemen come in and do all kinds of and bully like this and go, we don’t know why we’re not respected. I’m like what? That’s like, abusive parenting, and abusive parents that justify being abusive. It’s like you wonder why, really, this is a mystery. Look, sin makes people stupid. I was stupid when I was an unrepentant sinner. This is what it’s about, Ecclesiastes. Just the folly of sin. And what starts out this way becomes madness.

This has been The Consider Podcast at www.consider.info, where yesterday’s folly is today’s madness. In the beginning, the unrepentant sinner’s words are folly. At the end, they are wicked madness. Ecclesiastes 10:13, Judgment begins with the house of God. Therefore, let everyone who loves the Lord with an undying love pick up their cross and walk the talk. As Peter the Apostle wrote, therefore, prepare your minds for action. Be self-controlled. First Peter 1:13-14, The Consider Podcast. Examining today’s events and tomorrow’s realities. www.consider.info.

The justice and legal segment on The Consider Podcast is only concerned with calling all individuals to repentance. No matter which side of the bar one is on, the demand is for repentance in accordance with Amos 5:24, Let Justice roll on like a river, righteousness, like a never-failing stream. Nothing discussed should be considered legal advice. Want legal advice, pay a lawyer. Want j, pray to the Holy God. As the living God recorded in Deuteronomy 16:20, all must follow justice and justice alone. The listener assumes all responsibility for their actions or refusal to act in accordance with justice and justice alone because the legal system hides their corrupt deeds in darkness, any discussion is fought with inadequate information. The listener should keep in mind that the news media only communicates what sells. Finally, make note that the vast majority of what is called legal is in fact, not lawful. The Consider Podcast, examining today’s wisdom, madness, and folly, www.consider.info.

 

 

82 year old & trash bill arrest


Background Information

82-Year-Old Woman Detained After Failing to Make $77 Trash Payment

Every day, we receive all kinds of bills and invoices in the mail. Some days, we open those bills, pay them, and move on. On other days, however, we may put those bills to the side and put out other fires in our personal and professional lives. Even if those bills end up being late, the ultimate penalty usually ends up being a late fee or some other financial penalty.

This wasn?t the case for an 82-year-old woman in Alabama.

After failing to pay a late $77 trash bill, this 82-year-old woman had an unexpected visit from the local police. Her experience—including police officers handcuffing her and taking her from her home—sparked outrage on the internet. The ordeal is sparking discussion of policing, personal responsibility, and how far the justice system should go to enforce laws that are on the books.

The Arrest

Marth Menefield is an 82-year-old resident of Valley, Alabama. Valley is a town of around 10,000 people. It is located on the Alabama-Georgia border and is about a one-hour drive from Birmingham. Menefield spent her early years in West Point, Alabama (which is located in the northern part of the state).

For thirty years, Menefield has lived in her Valley home.

On November 27, 2022, Menefield opened the door to her home. On her doorstep were two members of the Valley Police Department (their names have not been disclosed). One of the officers was white and another officer was Black. As you can see in the video accompanying Menefield?s arrest, the officers confirmed that they were speaking with Menefield. After doing so, the officers told Menefield that they were serving a warrant. They hadn?t yet disclosed that they were doing so because she hadn?t paid her $77 trash bill.

Upon hearing that the officers were serving a warrant, Menefield thought they were joking. She asked why she was being served a warrant. An officer responded by stating that she hadn?t paid her trash bill and that he wasn?t joking. Just before he was about to handcuff Menefield, the officer explained that she should have received a call from Valley?s Code Enforcement division about one month before the arrest. The officer said that Code Enforcement should have explained that she needed to pay her trash bill. Menefield responded by stating that her daughter (Neketti Tucker) takes care of her bills. Tucker currently lives in Georgia. Because the bill had not yet been paid, the officer said that Menefield had to leave her home and come to the police station.

Ultimately, Menefield expressed her surprise at the news. Before handcuffing her, the officer also said that Menefield would have to pay $285 to leave the police department. If she wasn?t able to cough up that amount, she would then be taken to the county jail. She then asked the officers whether they were going to handcuff her. An officer said yes, began to handcuff Menefield, and said, ?I?m so sorry, but the law is the law.? She asked the officers to let her put a sweater on before leaving her home (since she was cold). The officers didn?t uncuff her to let her do so. Instead, they put the sweater over her shoulders, tied it to her body, and then escorted her to the officers? vehicle.

According to a press release posted by Valley Police Chief Mike Reynolds, Menefield was taken and processed at the Valley Police Department. She was later released on bond. Menefield later spoke with Nextar Media Wire, stating that ?I?m just happy my grandkids weren?t here to see that. That would have upset them. I was so ashamed. And it?s been bothering me.?

The Response to Menefield’s Arrest

Menefield?s arrest sparked significant anger and outcry on social media channels. Valley Police Department?s press release attracted around 6,100 comments and 2,200 shares. Most of the comments are negative.

For instance, one Facebook comment says, ?Without government, who would kidnap an 82 year old for forgetting to pay her trash bill for a couple months? God forbid some of your officers pool together the less than $100 to pay it. I’m sure it cost way more than that in police resources to arrest her.? Another Facebook comment expressed disgust toward the situation. ?So we’ve reverted back to the days of debtors prison?? it said. ?This is shameful Valley, absolutely shameful. Have you not noticed that times have been tight for a lot of people lately? Senior adults are typically on a fixed income. Why did no one work with her on ways to catch up??

While there has been a significant outcry against Menefield?s arrest, the Valley Police Department says that the arrest was justified. As alleged in the press release, Menefield has had her power intermittently suspended for decades. Specifically, the Environmental Services department cited 22 separate incidents where Menfield had services suspended or revoked. Within the past two years, Menefield has had her trash services suspended three times for non-payment.

As further described in the press release, Valley Code Enforcement Officers were already communicating with Menefield before her arrest. Specifically, the press release says that Menefield hadn?t been paying for trash services in June, July, and August 2022. When this occurred, Code Enforcement tried to contact Menefield several times. Specifically, Code Enforcement tried calling her and visiting her residence. When Code Enforcement couldn’t get in touch with Menefield, Code Enforcement representatives left a hanger on her door. The hanger, among other things, contained contact information that Menefield could use to resolve the situation.

Because the issue wasn?t resolved, Code Enforcement issued a citation in August 2022. The citation related to non-payment for trash services that occurred in three months (June, July, and August). The press release also says that the citation indicated that Menefield needed to appear in court before September 7, 2022. When she did not appear in court by that date, the court issued an arrest warrant.

Continuing Debate Over the Arrest

Much of the discussion about Menefield?s arrest centers on why Valley Police Department officers had to detain her over a seemingly-benign offense (a $77 trash bill). Critics of the arrest argue that the arrest shouldn?t have occurred due to Menefield?s age and the fact that her ?offense? was a late payment. Neketti Tucker, Menefield?s daughter, argued that ?This isn?t a criminal act. This is civil, if anything.?

On the other hand, the Valley Police Department argues that it had no choice but to proceed with the arrest. According to its press release, Valley police officers can use discretion in certain arrests, but not this one. It states that once an arrest warrant is issued by a court and signed by a magistrate, Valley police officers cannot exercise discretion when arresting the subject of the warrant.

Regardless of the police department?s discretion in the matter, Menefield?s arrest has galvanized charitable social media users. Several Facebook users volunteered to pay Menefield?s trash bill. That said, according to Tucker, those individuals had their offers rejected by Valley city officials.

While both Menefield and the Valley police department have their viewpoints on the arrest, the story has spread beyond the Alabama borders. The public at large continues to debate whether the arrest was justified and how law enforcement should exercise its power with more vulnerable members of the community.

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