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The church is drowning in a quicksand of disobedience and this is one symptom as to why.
This kind of discussion produces zero obedience.

Indeed such excitment over words that only a Bible translator would have need to know decieves individuals into thinking they are right with the Living God.

Just how many individuals do you think left these conferences to go out and wrestle with God and man? Hating their own life? Despising the dollar? Just to name a few.

Talk, talk and talk. Cannot wait for the day when every tongue will be silenced.



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"Monogenes": Has the Most Famous Bible Verse of All Time Been Misinterpreted?

Hold on, friends!

I can sense that headline might be making some of you quite uneasy….

Has Noah finally lost it?

Is he diving into Gnostic, “secret knowledge”?

No, and no.

Nothing of the sort is happening.

In fact, I think you’re going to find this quite fascinating!

This comes from one of the leading scholars in Semitic languages and Biblical studies, the late Dr. Michael S. Heiser.

He was truly a remarkable figure during his time with us, and his recent passing from cancer is a significant loss for many.

If you are familiar with Dr. Heiser, you know he provided a solid foundation for his teachings.

If not, get ready to be impressed!

As I mentioned, Dr. Heiser was traditional, conservative, and grounded in his beliefs.

He would even call himself “boring.”

He upheld all the essential core Christian beliefs and approached them straightforwardly.

What set him apart, however, was his willingness to delve into what the Bible genuinely communicates,

You know, those puzzling passages or strange stories that leave you wondering, “What’s happening here?”

Dr. Heiser famously asserted that people shouldn’t be shielded from their Bibles. He would dive deep and explain the nuances of the language, and similar to a well-crafted TV show or movie that concludes with a perfect wrap-up, Dr. Heiser always had a way of clarifying the perplexing, revealing that the deeper one delves, the more coherent the entire Bible becomes.

With this context in mind, let’s explore the question Dr. Heiser poses: Has the most famous Bible verse of all time, John 3:16, been translated inaccurately for all these years?

It seems impossible, right?

Maybe not.

You’ve likely seen John 3:16 on posters during sporting events, but let’s remind ourselves of what it states:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son.”

The translation concern hinges on the term “Begotten,” or “monogenēs” in Greek.

For centuries, this term has been rendered as “begotten,” but Dr. Heiser contends that contemporary scholarship now sees this as incorrect.

Before the mid-20th century, scholars translated the word as “begotten” because it supported the idea of Jesus’ eternal generation from the Father, a concept rooted in the Nicene Creed’s phrasing of the Son being “begotten, not made, of one substance with the Father.” This suggested that “begotten” didn’t indicate a beginning in time (as in human birth) but rather pointed to an eternal, unique relationship within the Godhead. Jesus was referred to as the “only begotten Son” because He uniquely shared the divine essence with the Father, distinguishing Him from created beings.

That all seems reasonable, doesn’t it?

The only issue arose in the mid-20th century when a wealth of new Greek manuscripts in the dialect of the New Testament emerged, providing scholars with a clearer understanding of certain words.

One of these terms was “monogenēs.”

Instead of signifying “begotten,” scholars now acknowledge it’s more accurately understood as “one of a kind.”

How fascinating is that?

If you’re not immediately grasping the significance of this, watch the video below where Dr. Heiser lays it all out.

A quick note: at the beginning of this clip, Dr. Heiser discusses other "sons of God."

Don’t let that be a distraction.

The concept of a "Divine Council" is indeed Biblical; refer to Psalm 82, for example.

I’ll explore that in more detail further down, but the Bible presents many “sons of God” (a phrase often used in the Old Testament to refer to Angels/Elohim).

However, Jesus is unique, hence “monogenēs.”

Watch here, and I believe you’ll find it enlightening:

Did you know Biblical scholars now believe “only begotten” may not be the most accurate translation for “monogenes”?

It’s the most renowned verse in the Bible, and it might not have been translated correctly all these years:

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that… pic.twitter.com/BIcgxemaOC

— Noah Christopher (@DailyNoahNews) January 22, 2025

So…have we misinterpreted the Bible over the years?

Perhaps, but I prefer to view it a bit differently.

I believe that as God intended, He chose the word “monogenēs” here for its capacity to be understood in two valuable ways, both offering profound insights into the meaning of the verse.

I think the selection was deliberate.Now, if you’re interested in delving deeper into these topics, including the concept of the "Divine Council," keep reading:

So…Who Were The Elohim?

So…Who Were The Elohim?

Let’s get straight to the point.

I will be referencing the teachings of Dr. Michael Heiser, not the interpretations of Noah, alright?

First, let’s discuss the term "Elohim"…

Clif is correct in stating that Elohim is a plural term (it can also be understood as singular).

What does it mean to be an Elohim?

Elohim refers to a "place of residence." Every entity in the spiritual realm is considered an Elohim, but there is ONE who surpasses all others.

Dr. Heiser elaborates:

Backtrack a moment:

What Exactly is an Elohim?

Dr. Michael Heiser pic.twitter.com/SbZhhLYHdf

— DailyNoah.com (@DailyNoahNews) December 24, 2023

Now, what about Yahweh?

"Yahweh is the God of gods." Well, not exactly, because there aren’t any others. While this can be confusing in many biblical passages, it’s how we often define monotheism. Therefore, my advice is to move beyond terminology and describe what a biblical writer would believe about the uniqueness of Yahweh. Biblical authors recognized the existence of many elohim, but only one of them is Yahweh. Yahweh is unique in relation to a specific set of attributes. Thus, while Yahweh is an elohim, there are no other elohim like Him.

Watch here:

Backtrack a moment:

Our Terminology IS NOT Adequate to Describe the God of the Bible

Who is YWHH?

YHWH and the Elohim

Dr. Michael Heiser pic.twitter.com/tZHh8KiEom

— DailyNoah.com (@DailyNoahNews) December 24, 2023

Alright, that wraps up our terminology lesson.

Clif and Dr. Heiser have different yet similar understandings of the term "Elohim."

As I mentioned earlier, I believe Clif is closer to the truth of our reality than even many Christians who have not read their Bibles and recognize its supernatural nature in full.

Now, let’s explore further…

I’m borrowing insights from Dr. Heiser, who often noted that if you ask a contemporary individual about the presence of "evil" in the world, they’ll point to the Garden of Eden.

This is true and reasonable.

However, if you asked an ancient Israelite, they would likely reference three pivotal events – three distinct "falls" of humanity. First, there is the Garden of Eden, where the serpent tempted Adam and Eve, introducing sin into the world.

Secondly, they would refer to the incident in Genesis 6:4, regarding the Fallen Angels and the creation of the Nephilim, a topic we’ve covered previously.

Thirdly, they would mention Deuteronomy 32:8, which discusses God’s division of the nations:

"When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel."

In essence, this means God allocated the people of the world into nations based on the "Sons of God" (which Paul refers to as Principalities in the New Testament).

These are real entities, part of the Divine Council.

More on that shortly.

They are not co-equal gods, but they certainly are members of God’s council, a concept rarely taught in churches.

If you observe the footnote in the quoted passage, certain translations render it as "children of Israel," likely due to discomfort with the phrase "Sons of God."

However, check the footnote provided by Bible Gateway regarding the original language:

Angels of God or Sons of God.

The reference to "DSS" pertains to the Dead Sea Scrolls, recently uncovered texts believed by scholars to be among the most ancient and reliable translations available.

That is the accurate translation.

Then consider verse 9: "But Israel is the LORD’s portion."

In other words, to summarize: God was displeased with humanity’s actions at Babel. They failed to disperse and populate the Earth as He commanded, prompting Him to partition them into nations and designate rulers for each – either Angels or Sons of God.

Nevertheless, God preserves Israel for Himself, ensuring that if all other nations become corrupt (which they do), He can still realize His original plan established in the Garden of Eden through Israel.

I hope you’re following along, as this understanding will help you view current events in a whole new light.It’s Ephesians 6:12: "12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

I know you’re all familiar with this verse, but does it resonate more with you now?

Every nation indeed has a ruler over it, a "Principality."

This brings to mind Daniel 10:13: "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia resisted me for twenty-one days; but behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there with the kings of Persia."

I assure you, this is a recurring theme throughout your Bible, and once you start to recognize and connect these concepts, everything becomes vibrant!

Now, let’s bring it closer to home, especially for Clif…

Consider Psalm 82:

Psalm 82

A Plea for Justice

A Psalm of Asaph.

1 God has taken his place in the divine council;    in the midst of the gods, he holds judgment: 2 “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah 3 Give justice to the weak and the orphan;    maintain the right of the lowly and the destitute. 4 Rescue the weak and the needy;    deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”

5 They have neither knowledge nor understanding;    they walk around in darkness;    all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 I say, “You are gods,    children of the Most High, all of you; 7 nevertheless, you shall die like mortals and fall like any prince.”

8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,    for all the nations belong to you!

If any of this makes you uneasy, remember that it’s ALL within your Bible.

Have you ever read Psalm 82?

It connects with everything I’ve mentioned here, and it sheds light on much of what Clif is discussing.

YHWH takes His place in the Divine Council, holding judgment in the midst of the gods!

(Also, note that verse one includes the term "Elohim" used twice in one sentence, once in singular and once in plural.)

Don’t be upset with me; I didn’t write that… Jesus did! It’s in your Bible!

So does this imply we have multiple gods?

No, certainly not.

However, we do have multiple "Sons of God" that YHWH has placed on His Divine Council.

And it’s essential to understand that this cannot be interpreted solely as the Trinity, because as the Psalm progresses, these other "gods" (Elohim, referring to spiritual beings created by God and existing in the spiritual realm) become corrupt.

Psalm 82 recounts events after Deuteronomy 32.

God assigned each of the world’s nations to one of His Divine Council members.

He entrusted them to govern justly and fairly, yet they all became corrupt.

Does that sound familiar?

As a result, they face judgment, and God/YHWH executes His original plan through HIS PORTION, which is Israel.

This is why I assert that Clif is largely correct in 75% of his assertions…

Whether you call them "space aliens" or Fallen Angels / Elohim from the Divine Council, they are essentially the same!

And yes, most of them are indeed evil!

They introduced sin, death, and destruction to the Earth.

They exerted control over us (as noted in Psalm 82)…

They ruled unfairly and unjustly!

And they will face severe punishment from YHWH.

However, this is where Clif’s analysis falters.

Clif erroneously associates YHWH with the fallen members of the Divine Council, and that is simply unsupported by anything in your Bible—quite to the contrary!

It would be akin to someone observing humanity, noting those who commit murder and violence, and concluding that all of humanity is evil and doomed!

Is that a fair assessment?

Dr. Michael Heiser presents these ideas far better than I ever could, and I’d like to share his 4-part "Supernatural Seminar" series with you.

It will surely amaze you and articulate what I’ve just explained in much greater depth.

Dr. Michael Heiser is a remarkable resource, and I believe you will appreciate his insights.

If this topic intrigues you, enjoy:

This is Dr. Heiser’s 4-Part Supernatural Seminar.

It addresses everything I’ve shared but in much more detail and with the clarity that is characteristic of Dr. Heiser.

Please enjoy — and if any of this resonates with your spirit, I encourage you to share this article with friends, family, or even pastors who might benefit from it.

So here it is…I’m not looking to win a debate with Clif, nor is that my goal with this article.

My aim is simply to introduce you to the incredible and insightful teachings of Dr. Michael Heiser while providing a counterpoint to anyone who might encounter Clif’s posts on Twitter.

I often pondered how the world could unite against Israel again, especially in light of the Holocaust and the strong commitment of "never again."

How could something like that happen once more? I used to be perplexed…

However, after seeing Clif’s tweets and recognizing that the ultimate "space alien" narrative will soon be introduced globally, I now understand.

So I share this to assist as many people as I can along the way.

Don’t succumb to the Grand Delusion!

My Take On The “Coming Great Deception”

To conclude, I want to share my latest conversation with Bo Polny, who discusses being unexpectedly attacked by Clif on Twitter:

Bo Polny Attacked By Clif High On Twitter

I initially thought that Bo Polny and Clif High were in a heated argument on Twitter, but that characterization doesn’t quite fit.

It can’t be a "fight" if it’s entirely one-sided.

This seemed to be the case this week as Clif High took a swing at Bo Polny on Twitter.

Why?

Because of Bo’s faith in Jesus Christ.

It’s disheartening to see so much hostility from Clif.

One tweet of his explicitly states "no more kindness" while referencing the "Elohim Worship cult":

At this stage, and heading into next year, there is no value in showing gentleness to people unknowingly caught in the Elohim Worship cult.

Humanity simply cannot afford to waste time. @bopolny will have to recognize the Elohim at the heart of Christianity…

— clif is antiselenite (@clif_high) December 20, 2023

If you’re baffled by what that means, I recently spoke with Bo about it, and I’ll share the full video with you below.

But first, let me summarize…

Clif High, whom we’ve discussed here multiple times and who still has an open invitation to my show, subscribes to the belief that the "Elohim" mentioned in the Bible are essentially malevolent space aliens.

Yes, that’s a straightforward summary of his belief.

He shortens their name to "El."

He posits that they arrived on Earth 6,000 years ago and effectively enslaved humanity.

Interestingly, he’s not entirely off the mark.

(He also misses some crucial aspects and isn’t completely accurate.)

However, there are overlaps in belief systems that you might find surprising, as parts of this are indeed addressed in the Bible.

I believe the Bible does imply that there was an infiltration (as Rob Skiba termed it, an "Archon Invasion") described in Genesis 6:4:

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."

Numerous interpretations exist for this verse, but the oldest and most prevalent (and I believe the most accurate) interpretation suggests that the "Sons of God" were Fallen Angels who descended from Heaven, came to Earth, and had relations with human women.

This union resulted in the "Nephilim" — essentially a race of hybrid giants.

As always, the Bible confirms its teachings in multiple passages, one of which is Jude 6:

"And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day."

Further support can also be found throughout the Old Testament…

Have you ever read the Old Testament and questioned the mention of all those Giant Clans?

Spoiler alert: those references weren’t merely metaphorical; these truly were giants — Nephilim — stemming from the unholy union of Fallen Angels and human women.

Here’s a brief list of the most notable Giant Clans referenced in the Old Testament.1. Nephilim: Referenced in Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33, they are frequently regarded as giants or mighty warriors of ancient times.

Anakim: The descendants of Anak, mentioned in Numbers 13:28, 33, Deuteronomy 1:28, 2:10, 21, 9:2, and Joshua 11:21-22, 14:12, 15, they formed a powerful race of giants in Canaan.

Rephaim: Appearing in several scriptures, including Genesis 14:5, 15:20, Deuteronomy 2:11, 20, 3:11, 13, and Joshua 12:4, 13:12, they are often interpreted as "giants" or "dead" and associated with a group of people residing in Canaan.

Emim: Described in Deuteronomy 2:10-11, they were a large and fearsome race related to the Anakim, inhabiting the area later settled by the Moabites.

Zamzummim: Also referred to as Zuzim in Deuteronomy 2:20, they were a people akin to the Rephaim, living in territory later taken over by the Ammonites.

Goliath: The renowned giant from Gath, who confronted David, as told in 1 Samuel 17.

Goliath’s Brothers: This group includes Lahmi (1 Chronicles 20:5), Ishbibenob, Saph (or Sippai), and a giant noted for having six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot (2 Samuel 21:16-22; 1 Chronicles 20:4-8).

Og, King of Bashan: Mentioned in Deuteronomy 3:11 as the last of the Rephaim, his exceptionally large iron bedstead indicates his giant size.

Sons of Anak: Specifically referred to in Numbers 13:33, they were encountered by the Israelite spies while in Canaan.

Gibborim: Though not a distinct group, this term from Genesis 6:4 describes "mighty men" or "heroes" of the past, sometimes associated with giants or demigods.

Have you ever wondered why God instructed the Israelites to completely eliminate these clans, including women and children after war victories?

The answer is straightforward—He aimed to eradicate the Nephilim DNA from the Earth.

It’s all laid out in your Bible!

Connecting these concepts can significantly enhance your understanding of the Old Testament!

So Clif’s analysis isn’t entirely off-base.

There existed a faction of Elohim (Fallen Angels) that descended to Earth and committed some terrible acts.

As esteemed Semitic language scholar Dr. Michael Heiser aptly noted, "Elohim" merely signifies spiritual beings unembodied in human form.

Dr. Heiser emphasized: "Yahweh was an Elohim, but no other Elohim is Yahweh."

Thus, substituting "God" for "Elohim" causes confusion—a translation issue.

Returning to Clif…

The one major point of divergence from a perspective I believe is well-documented throughout the Bible, is Clif’s claim that not all Elohim are malevolent.

Another divergence is his definition of Yahweh (YHWH) as not the ultimate Creator God (God the Father) but merely a lesser "Elohim."

These are two significant departures, but his views aren’t as outlandish as they might initially seem.

Anyway, that’s the context!

Now, back to my conversation with Bo Polny…

I had Bo Polny back on my show yesterday, and I can’t wait for you to check out our latest interview.

It was unlike any we’ve had in the past…

We began by discussing Clif High, who recently criticized Bo on Twitter for seemingly no reason.

Naturally, I had to ask him about that.

We touched on this and then viewed an amazing 5-minute video that you absolutely MUST see.

And, of course, I couldn’t let Bo go without discussing Crypto and what’s on the horizon…

Spoiler Alert: "Got Crypto?"

You’re going to want to!

I have three ways for you to watch…

First is right here:

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