#34 the Last Penny Pt 2

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The Consider Podcast

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Ecclesiastes 2:12
Then I turned my thoughts to consider wisdom, and also madness and folly.

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Christian, or not, if you wronged someone, betrayed, cheated, remained silent, were impure …God said through Jesus, you will not get out until the last penny was paid.

Transcript

Let us consider the last penny. You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, do not murder and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment. But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, Raca is answerable to the Sanhedrin, but anyone who says, you fool, will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there, remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First, go and be reconciled to your brother. Then come and offer your gift. Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still with him on the way, or he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer. And you may be thrown into prison. I tell you the truth, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny. Matthew 5:21-26. The Consider Podcast. Examining today’s wisdom, folly, and madness. www.consider.info

Timothy: We’re continuing our discussion about whether you’re a Christian or not a Christian, you’re not going to get out until the last penny is paid.

Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we turn our minds to consider wisdom, madness, and folly. Join the host Timothy and Jacob on a quest to have God enlighten the mind according to verse 25 of Ecclesiastes chapter 7. So, I turned my mind to understand, to investigate, and to search out wisdom, and the scheme of things, and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly. Ecclesiastes 7:25. The Consider Podcast, examining today’s events and tomorrow’s realities at www.consider.info

Timothy: We’re looking at a very small window of opportunity for those that need to repent, to repent. This is an extremely serious topic, meaning mercy is available if you want the mercy, it’s not a smiling jack type of forgiveness. It’s not an easy whitewash kind of forgiveness. No matter how small the repentance is or how large, that opportunity is there. But please understand this is not a game. In 1 Corinthians Chapter 16:22. Jacob, bring that up on the screen cuz everybody needs to see this. 1 Corinthians 16:22. It says, if anyone, we’re back to that word again. Anyone. Everything we listen to in the other podcast on this topic, it became very clear, Jesus said to anyone. For most people in most churches, it’s kind of a revolutionary thought that there’s a judgment that will be applied to true Christians. Paul says, if anyone does not love the Lord, a curse beyond him, come O Lord. I can assure you, and I think Jacob will confirm it. There is, and that is my attitude toward everyone. I love them. I’m kind to them. I serve them in Jesus Christ. People that I fellowship with before, those that betrayed, those who didn’t quite finish the road, those that are completely hostile. Whatever it is, if you don’t love the Lord, there is a side that comes from the Holy Spirit in me that I will say a curse beyond you without hesitation. Is that correct, Jacob?

Jacob: That’s correct. You would accept, or I mean, you would expect the same repentance from a prosecutor or somebody that was in your church. It’s everybody. There’s no, oh, the scripture earlier that we had talked about in the last podcast, there’s no favoritism.

Timothy: None. And all of this has to do with grace. We go onto 1 Corinthians 16:23, the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you, my love to all of you in Jesus Christ. Amen. All this has to do with love. This is not a worldly kind of hate, and I’m not going to hone in on this right now. My point being to you is, don’t be a fool and come play a game with me cuz it will not work. And even if you work over me and con me, you’re not fooling God on any level, at any point. Jacob, you want to recap a little bit of what we discussed in part one, I suppose?

Jacob: Well, I think the best thing to do is to go back to Matthew chapter 5, verse 21 and just reread those verses, cuz that’s sort of the core of what we’re talking about. And then I’m pretty sure we’re going to kind of move forward with that thought. So, I would just want to go back to Matthew 5:21.

Timothy: Go for it.

Jacob: You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, do not murder and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment. But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, Raca is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, you fool, will be in danger of the fire of hell. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there, remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother. Then come and offer your gift. Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still with him on the way, or he may hand you over to the judge and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.

Timothy: I tell you the truth, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny. There is a holy fear that belongs to every disciple of Jesus. You’d have to say, all the people that have committed these sins associated with this just don’t have any fear of God, cuz you wouldn’t do these things. It’s not a holy fear anywhere. In Acts chapter 9 verse 31, and I’m going to come back to this passage here in a moment. But it says, then the church throughout Judea Galilee, Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. What came with this peace? It goes on to say in Acts 9:31, it was strengthened. What goes along with being strengthened in Jesus Christ. And encouraged by the Holy Spirit, what goes along with being encouraged in the Holy Spirit. Everybody wants these things. The church wants the time of peace. The church wants to be strengthened. Church wants to be encouraged by the Holy Spirit. Of course, every church wants to grow in numbers. But here’s the part that we don’t see living in the fear of the Lord. Part of what we’re looking at here today is the fact that with some fear and trembling, no matter who you are, that if you’ve done some sin against your brother, you will not get out until you paid the last penny. Now, Jacob, you and I were talking about this scripture and we do this in living fear before the Lord with the utmost of seriousness. And we were kind of trying to discern and get to the point well, like where do they go? Now, at the end of the day, it’s immaterial because it can’t be a good place. And Jesus is the master of understatements. So, when he says, you know, you won’t get out, the best I can picture is a debtor’s prison or. And some of those actually weren’t too bad, but with Jesus Christ, we’re talking about is this a, like a purgatory thing. It’s certainly gloom and darkness. And how do you pay back while you’re in prison? Right Jacob? We didn’t come to any answers but they’re good questions.

The classic England debtors’ prison, you owed something, you were thrown in prison. Well, how do you pay back, you didn’t have anything?

Well, what’s interesting about that is, you could work and people could bring you things.

Jacob: Yeah. People could bring you things.

Timothy: So, there was an avenue by which, and I’m wondering, based on all the garbage that went on back then, I wonder if some of the purpose of that came from here. I’m not sure. I’m not telling you there weren’t miserable situations, but there was an avenue by which the penny was being paid.

Jacob: And I think two, because obviously we talk about it, so many people will sit around and talk about, even say the theology of these passages in Matthew, instead of the actual solution is to do what it says, which is, go to your brother so you don’t end up there. We were kind of discussing it with watch yourself, be careful, I mean, holy fear and trembling. Most of the time it’s going to be some type of doctrinal thing or I don’t know, did they even discuss scripture much anymore, but. And I’m sure it’s your brother, your neighbor, everybody goes, oh, yeah. I’ve been wounded too, and all that kind of stuff. So, you’re right. That’s not the point. Although it is a point in the sense, our God is very holy, very wise, full of fire. And judgment begins with the house of God. It should be taken, verse 26, with a great amount of seriousness. And it really isn’t. Everybody thinks they’re just going to stand before some Jesus, it’s going to go, okay, yeah, fine, come on in, everybody kind of messed up. Jesus is very clear. Well let’s go to Luke chapter 17 verse 1, Jacob. And as we move for that, and we’re going to get to this here in a moment, I think there are actually two aspects to this last penny. There are those who will go to hell, or in hades, however you want to look at it until the final judgment. And they’re never going to get out. They’re never going to be able to pay the penny. I think that’s one reason why he isn’t specific about where is the condition and what applies. Then I think there’s the other warning that some people make it in, but they smell like smoke. They barely make it in that kind of thing, or they’ve done wrong. There’s a penalty to be paid there. But it’s probably a different place, a different scenario. Either way, it’s not going to be a positive thing. But I think that’s why he leaves it kind of broad, brushed open, meaning it applies to everybody. And God is very just about knowing exactly which debtor prison to put you into. In Luke, chapter 17:1, Jesus said to his disciples, so addressing note again, this is when Jesus is like talking to his disciples, he’s making it very clear. Things that cause people to sin are bound to come. The amount of sin that Seattle’s King County prosecutors, city of Enumclaw, all the people that are associated with this mob, prosecution, and persecution that came forward, it’s bound to happen. And the way that they went about it certainly is not even remotely of scripture, let alone know the heart and the attitude of Jesus Christ on any level. So, in terms of, are they guilty? Absolutely. There’s no question about the guilt. Jesus said to the disciples, things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. Now keep in mind he’s talking to who, Jacob?

Jacob: His disciples.

Timothy: Right. He’s really telling the disciples this. Like, guys, this is bad news. This is what’s going to happen and I’m speaking to you directly. These can’t be disciples that are going, well, you know, yeah, that’s true for all the Pharisees, and that’s true for all the Sadducees, and that’s true for this group over here. These are men taking these things to heart. You’re not first jumping out at everybody else. Verse 2, Jesus says, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. You might think that I’m the worst cult leader or a cult leader or whatever, and things are bad. The amount of things that you did to little ones to cause them to stumble, you’re already guilty on that level. Even if I’m remotely on one tenth of the things you think I am. The way this was done was ungodly, was unholy, was without any type of purity or love or concern. It is, you just look through history. It is the vile things of religious leaders, you know, the Catholics burning the. By the way, the Catholic considered the Protestants a cult, the Protestant considered the Catholic church, of course, to be the, or Babylon, which I guess would be worse than a cult. Each one considered the other one. And there were individuals there that tortured each other just depending on who was power. Satan doesn’t care that he’s got a bunch of so-called Christians in the legal professions, as long as they persecute and prosecute true disciples, it doesn’t matter. He’ll let them, in fact, he’d probably rather have them do that kind of thing. Backing up again. A lot of little ones have been caused to stumble and they’re still stumbling. So those that were involved in this, no matter who you are. Again, there was, it goes on and on and on. I was interviewed by a quote unquote Christian, and again, I’m choking on the word Christian newspaper person or someone who gathers the news. I answered the questions. I went through some basic things. The article of course wasn’t anything remotely what was discussed, the questions they asked that proved the person, I knew where they were getting the accusations from, because I’ve heard those long before they got there, and I proved those false. Well, that was never in the article. And then of course they wait until things are almost crashing and go, yeah, Mr. Williams said everything was fine. But it was fine eight months ago, but it’s not fine now. So, there are lots of dirty tricks. You ruined a lot of weak people in Jesus Christ. You wounded little ones. So, what does Jesus say in verse 3? Jacob, we’re going to have you read Luke 17:3.

Jacob: So, watch yourselves.

Timothy: Okay, stop right there. So, watch yourselves. That’s what we’re talking about here. He’s saying this to everybody. He’s saying to the disciples, these things that cause people to sin are going to happen. It’s a blunt sentence. You can just see Jesus turning and there’s like, he’s taking this breath. He’s like, to make sure they’re not just applying this to some other group. He says, so watch yourselves. Who’s he talking to?

Jacob: Them

Timothy: It’s like he’s pointing a finger at this point. They may have been toying with the idea, well he is talking about other people, or I would never do such a thing. That’s probably possible. Jesus just stops, turns, looks, direct, so watch yourselves. Watch yourselves. There clearly is nobody watching themselves. Not in Jesus Christ anyway. Or they would desire not to have to pay the last penny because they will pay. You know, I may be all the things that you may disagree with everything I have, but why would you want to go to prison to pay back pennies for me? Why don’t you just come and be reconciled and say, yeah, I was wrong. I did this, this was wrong. Okay. Then go on your merry religious way. You at least won’t have to pay the penny for me. That’s an ultimate humiliation I think, for people that are willing to cause curses down on their children or think they’re doing what’s right. That, you know, why go to wherever this is, to have to pay back the penny over me? So, watch yourselves. Jesus says, if your brother sins, rebuke him, be out front, be open. I’m always that. It’s always clear. If I’ve got something to say, it’s rebuke, I’m going to say it. If it doesn’t need to be said or brought up, I won’t bring it up.
But there’s this clarity, right Jacob? There’s this light here. I’m walking in his light. There’s no shadows, there’s no manipulation, there’s no conning anybody. It’s like, it’s just clear. If your brother sins, rebuke him. Okay. I do that. And if he repents, forgive him. There’s a qualification there. If he doesn’t repent, I’m under no obligation to forgive. I may and I may be led in the Holy Spirit to do it, but I’m not under any obligation. The only time it’s obligated that I actually forgive somebody is if they do what, Jacob?

Jacob: If they repent.

Timothy: If they repent, if they try to avoid the last penny. Verse 4, If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, I repent. Forgive him. Now that certainly is very, very true. If you’ve got a congregation and you’re trying to follow Jesus Christ and the message of the cross. And most of the people are pretty young in that process, you’re going to be bumping into each other all the time. Because it’s in the church, one of the mechanisms God uses to bring out sin. So, Jacob, do you remember that everybody is just kind of bumping into everybody, and you got bruises and you’re going to go, I’m sorry, and I forgive. It really does take a lot of love in Jesus Christ to keep on forgiving. The disciples, realize that. Read verse 5. But as you read that, I want everybody to notice what they ask for because it’s extremely significant.

Jacob: The apostles said to the Lord, increase our faith.

Timothy: Increase our faith. Logic would dictate, you’d say, increase our love. Right?

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Faith seems, but they’ve caught onto something here. There’s something deeper going on here. Because if I said to somebody, yeah, if your brother sins, you rebuke him, he comes back to you, you need to forgive and go, oh, I just don’t have the love for this. You don’t ask for faith. I’m talking about in the church, they ask for love. But that’s not what it says. Increase our faith, that’s where the love of Jesus Christ comes from. That’s where the ability comes to humble yourself and repent. That’s where the power comes to actually forgive people. It’s in my relationship with Jesus Christ. If it was dependent upon my love and my attitudes and people like that in the world, well, it’s pretty evident what happens. Everybody hates each other more. Is by walking in a living faith with Jesus Christ and increasing that faith to believe that God will work good no matter what goes on. You’ll find people, it happens everywhere. Somebody gets involved in a church. Things don’t go as planned, or they don’t like anybody. So, when they leave, it’s never their fault or they never did anything. And they’ll go, oh, it was a cult, or I was taken in, or this person brainwashed me over here, or this happened over here. And they’re missing the whole point. And that whole point is that you have to have trust in God that even though you were in that situation, and you had all those quotes unquote, that you think are wrong, trust the Lord to work good. This is not about whether you think, I’m righteous or that I am holy. You have to believe that no matter what, even whatever grievance you have, I’m trying to say here, you believe God is going to work through that. And so, if somebody comes to me and they repent of the wrong they did, and God shows me things that I did wrong, I’m going to repent them, so it’s all that’s where the faith comes in, in Jesus Christ. And everybody wants to claim, well, I have faith in Jesus Christ. What are we looking at here? What is verse 5? Again, Jacob, read it.

Jacob: The apostles said to the Lord, increase our faith.

Timothy: It’s from faith we get the truth. And what the truth is, it’s faith. A living faith with the living God. But you can’t get to the truth because people really don’t have a trust in Jesus Christ. They’re not watching themselves. The two go hand in hand. Verse 5 says, increase our faith. Verse 3 says, so watch yourselves. Those that are truly walking in the faith of Jesus Christ, on a mature deep level, are watching themselves carefully. In fact, I watch myself. I’m able to watch myself a lot more clearly than in the 1970s when I started preaching. My sense of what sin is, what parts I’ve overcome, what parts I’ve grown from and where I’m headed, get finer and finer and finer. And that’s all. You just keep persevering by trusting God to always work the good, to work godliness as I watch myself that I don’t sin against my brother. Otherwise, I should just leave my penny and go running out and be reconciled immediately. The truth stumbles in the courtroom, truth stumbles in the church, and truth certainly stumbles on the internet. Jacob, you want to play the truth stumbles?

Justice is driven back and righteousness stands at a distance. Truth has stumbled in the streets. Honesty cannot enter. Truth is nowhere to be found. And whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. The Lord looked and was displeased that there was no justice. Isaiah 59:14-15.

Timothy: But why is God even talking about the opportunity to repent? It’s because a great deal of people acted in ignorance. Let’s go to Acts 3:17. Peter is preaching to a group of people that are cut to the heart over their sins. And here scripture tells us why God is able to offer repentance and forgiveness if they so desire. Says in Acts 3:17, Now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance. They were ignorant about Jesus Christ. They were ignorant about the events. They were ignorant about scripture. They acted in complete ignorance. And this is the thing that allows somebody the chance to repent. We’re going to look here in a moment that there are some people who sinned in this, were not acting in ignorance. They full on knew what they were doing. Those people cannot repent. Those that have crossed that line, and I don’t have a firm judgment on each individual, they’re not coming to me to even ask one way or another. They were not ignorant in what they did. I know that you acted and ignorant, as did your leaders. They are dark. Let me stop right there. Jacob, anything you want to say before I press on verse 18?

Jacob: No. I’ll let you keep going only because I was going to talk about something Matthew, but you keep going first.

Timothy: Well, actually no, this is a good stopping point.

Jacob: Well, okay. I don’t disagree with you because it’s clear from the scriptures here that Paul is talking to people who acted in ignorance. And like you just said, like you don’t have a specific list of were not right. I was just thinking in Matthew though, you know, again, there was this picture, if you have something against your brother, and he says, he talks about on the way. So, in the that illustration, you have the person going to the court system. So, if you could even picture like you’re driving or you’re walking, and it’s like Jesus is saying that if you’re going to be humble, if you will humble yourself like, on the way. So, can you picture like, you right there in your face? So, for some people out there too, specifically involved with the hate crime with us, whether you’re listening to this now or somebody else has heard it. Like for a lot of people there still may be time. There still may be time for you to humble yourself and say, you know what, I did sin, I need to repent. Because that’s the illustration given to us in Matthew, On the way.

Timothy: And you know, every lawyer can relate to this because a lot of cases are solved, quote unquote, on the court steps going in during the hallway. It’s like up to the last minute.

Jacob: Up to the last minute, right before, and then the judge is like, oh, okay, this is off our docket. We’re not doing it.

Timothy: Now I have to add to all that, it’s a risky position to talk about or be in. Because it gets far more questionable, you wait until you’re at the last minute. It’s like sending all the way, if you knew what hour you’re going to die, you’re going to send all the way up to that minute and then ask for forgiveness. The discernment that is necessary and the repentance that would be necessary. I’m not saying there aren’t people that wait till the last minute, you’ve got the good thief that clearly wait or the opportunity didn’t come until he last minute. So that’s not my point. My point is, yes, this is true and I want to Amen
exactly what you’re saying. Just don’t play a game with this. You could die on the way to court.

Jacob: Yeah. But I was just thinking that again, like we’re talking about this right now, something that happened 10 years ago. I mean, you brought up situations that happened 20 years ago. So, I’m just, even right now, somebody could still repent now, they could.

Timothy: No, you hope so.

Jacob: You hope so. Yeah. There you go. I think that’s even the better thing is, is what I’m talking about is just like, well, you hope somebody does. Like, you know, you hope.

Timothy: I hope the scripture that says, you know, when Paul says, we looked at this earlier, that everyone deserted me may not be held against him. I pray that applies to everybody. But the reality is, it is not. There’s a reality here that they didn’t act in ignorance. This opportunity’s not there. So, what we’re going to is the more, every day that goes on and they ignore the blog posts, or they ignore the stuff there. They’re not acting in ignorance anymore. So, every single day becomes more and more dangerous because yes, okay, in the beginning you were taken in by a mob and your pride is there, and you’ve got some hook that they could get in there, and the legal system’s a mess, and it just did its steamroller, whatever it does. That’s complete and total ignorance. That was even a clearer chance to repent at that point. Once there was a, and there were plenty of cracks where the light was getting into that darkness. They didn’t seize it. Now we’re into almost 10 years out now. They’re not ignorant anymore. I know they’re not ignorant. Look, I’ve been in their face about what the truth is. They know what it is. There’s even more behind the scenes, I can’t tell you than I know that they know. All right. So, their level of ignorance is disappearing very quickly and so is time. This is that holy fear. Now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance as did your leaders. So that’s the door.

Jacob: For them it’s right now.

Timothy: Yeah, it’s right now. Let’s go to Ephesians 4:18. Before they use it as a whitewash tool or, okay yeah, I was ignorant, I was taken, and I’ll go with that. And somehow that leaves them safer. Well, let’s look at Ephesians 4:18, because why are they ignorant? Ignorance, certainly before God allows him to come along and offer Jesus Christ. But you have to admit, well, why am I ignorant? Did I just not have enough knowledge, that I have somehow this good heart all day, every day, and I was just kind of taken in. Now, that’s nowhere in the scripture. Ephesians 4:18 says, they are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. So, the only thing that you can say is, I was ignorant because my heart was hard. There is no other excuse. You’re not going to be able to be like, well, I was ignorant, I was doing my duty, I have to believe what people come and tell me. Baloney. You invited the lies; you inflamed the lies. You told us to shut up when we brought the truth. You wouldn’t listen to what we have to say. With this situation, there is absolutely no excuse for what went on. None, zero. Anybody, anybody who remotely even just done their job and stopped and said, hey, wait a minute, let’s take a look at this. Let’s examine that this, this is not adding. The cop sits alone with a false accuser and is doing this. So, then he came into your room? Yes. And then he did this. Yep. And then he did that. Yeah. Literally leading the witness exactly what to say. And nobody, not only do they not object, they seize the opportunity to put that to use. Now that’s full corruption. Now, you may be ignorant about who we are or what true Christianity is, but it’s because your heart is hardened. In fact, they went on and hired attorneys to clean him up. This officer was the evidence of the hate crime and they wiped the fingerprints of blood off the knife. They actively pursued to make him look noble and righteous and doing what the state would have him to do. They, what they did is, just as he did, he planted evidence, they went and cleaned up the evidence of guilt to protect the police officer and themselves. Only hard hearts do that. They are darkened in their understanding, separated from the life of God. God doesn’t do these things by the way. From the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. The disciples couldn’t understand when Jesus was talking about loaves of bread. It says, because their hearts were hard. When I am ignorant, it’s because my heart is hard. God’s got to plow up that part of the ground. He’s got to come in a new way. There’s been too much self. He’s had to take it slower with me because I’ve got sections of my heart that are just too hard to soften up. It’s because of a hard heart that we’re ignorant. Anything on that?

Jacob: No.

Timothy: Paul will talk about that in first Timothy 1:13. Let’s look at 1 Timothy 1:13. And obviously it’s very clear that a vast majority of these people are not Christians who claim to be Christians. There is a small minority that probably are Christians, but they need to repent or they’re going to lose what they’ve got. We’ll see this here in just a moment. Paul’s willing to talk. This is how humble he is. 1 Timothy 1:13, Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor, and a violent man. I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. It is that ignorance, that lack of faith, the unbelief, that allows God to show mercy. Read that again, Jacob, and let that kind of soak in with people. You can’t listen to this podcast or have read anything else, and walk away more ignorant than you were. And the only reason you’re getting an offer of any type of forgiveness, any type, is because you acted in ignorance and unbelief. Verse 13, Jacob.

Jacob: Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.

Timothy: Clearly, Paul was once a prosecutor, wasn’t he?

Jacob: Yeah

Timothy: I mean he went around with letters from the legal authorities to torture other people, to get them to recant their following of Jesus Christ. So, he was a prosecutor at one time, wasn’t he?

Jacob: Mm-hmm.

Timothy: In the same way, either the prosecutor thought he was all good and noble, and doing great things, but he was fighting against Jesus Christ. If there’s one thing that’s been clear now and shown clearly is, they’ve been fighting against the truth of Jesus Christ, and they’re just refusing to repent at this point. In 1 Peter 1:14 it says, as obedient children do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. As I become aware of pride in my life, I’m no longer ignorant about that pride. As I become ignorant about things in my heart or things that I do, as the light of Jesus Christ enlightens me as to what is sin, I become obedient. You have to ask, where’s the obedience? If you’re going to repent, then expect to obey more than you already knew because God’s trying to draw you out of your ignorance and into full obedience to him. As obedient children did not conform to the evil desires, pride, selfish ambition, copping other people, self-righteousness, just the lies that make us feel comfortable. All those evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. Any comment or anything on that, Jacob?

Jacob: No, just. Well, I was thinking we had talked about the scripture in Luke where it talks about the person that knows the master’s will and doesn’t do it is going to be beaten with many blows.

Timothy: Let’s go to that.

Jacob: Okay. It’s Luke 12:47.

Timothy: I’m there with you.

Jacob: Okay. So, that servant who knows his master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants, will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment, will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded, and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much will be asked. So, it’s again, somebody who’s acting in ignorance, they did not know, there’s fewer blows. They’re still going to get blows.

Timothy: That’s the amazing part. And do you ever hear that talked about or preached in the church?

Jacob: Oh, never. No one ever talks about this. But then, and then cuz it says, you know, from everyone who has been given much, so anybody who has been given an opportunity to repent, if you know, you’re no longer ignorant, well then, a lot’s going to be demanded. Where are the pennies? Where’s the pennies? Because it’s not ignorance anymore, you’re just hardening your heart. Versus, and then and from one who has been entrusted with much, much will be asked. So, this scripture could go a lot of ways, but it’s exactly what we’re talking about.

Timothy: And again, we’re kind of a little bit of a subtopic, but not really. It’s like, where are these blows and what kind of blows are they, and where is it happening at? I don’t want to go off on an intellectual discussion. That’s not what I mean, but this is real. This is like, people contemplate hell, they certainly contemplate their neighbor going to hell. So, you think, well, its fire, it’s this, it’s all that, or whatever. So, we imagine, where’s the meditation in the church? Where’s the songs simply on this kind of thing? That those who know and don’t do it will be beaten with many blows. We’re way past the ignorant level with everything that went on at this point. So those that refuse to repent, Christian or not Christian at this point, will be beaten with many blows because they can’t claim ignorance every day that goes by.

Jacob: Yeah.

Timothy: Within the court systems, one of the main functions that they do is controlled ignorance. They will intentionally not look at things just so they can say they didn’t know it. In other words, it’s like saying, well I choose to walk in darkness, so I’m not going to look at anything remotely the truth. If we all did this on a, people do, I guess do it on a normal basis, society would just crumble. But the whole legal profession, and especially police are this way. They’re just not going to look. And so, they won’t ask questions or dialogue or even really answer questions because that brings them into an accountability that they’re no longer ignorant. And so, they want to be able to go, oh wow, I was ignorant. I remember as we were going through this hate crime, it wasn’t just Seattle’s King County prosecutors and the city of Enumclaw, it was also the attorney general’s office. And I won’t go through that whole side story because that’s another whole side story. But one of the aspects of this is, there was some dialogue by email. And we had a sub-issue going on at the same time. They would not respond to my email or acknowledge that those emails were there until they had come to the conclusion over here on this other issue. Did that make sense?

Jacob: Mm.

Timothy: Okay, they willingly chose not to open and read my email.

Jacob: Correct. Yeah, because then it doesn’t apply to them. And you can plead the ignorance later. Except you knowingly were being ignorant.

Timothy: Correct. And nobody in court goes, well, your Honor, are you knowingly being ignorant or are you just ignorant? I’d ask the question, but I’d probably be in prison too at that time. The ignorance that every day that goes by that somebody can claim puts you in a position where you literally could lose your salvation, never be forgiven and not able to repent when the time comes to finally repent. Jacob, go ahead and play that particular section of scripture and then we’ll talk about it.

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift. Who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the Word of God and the powers of the coming age. If they fall away to be brought back to repentance because to their loss, they are crucifying the son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it, and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed, receives the blessing of God, but land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end, it will be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8. The Consider Podcast. Examining today’s madness, folly, and wisdom.
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Timothy: It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who’ve shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the Word of God and the powers of the coming age if they fall away to be brought back to repentance. They weren’t in ignorance. They knew the power of the Holy Spirit. They knew the truth. They knew all of the things are in Jesus Christ. They shared in all those things. They were not ignorant people. With some of those people, there’s a line and only God can tell you where that line is, where they cannot, God will not permit them to repent.
Wanna repeat that. God will not permit them to repent. It’s grace that brings us to repentance. It’s grace that holds us in the love of Jesus Christ. And if you turn your back on that grace, you trample on that grace, you knowingly trample on the good things of God. God says, you can’t come back. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Let’s finish up by going to 1 Thessalonians 2:14. As you read Eau de Cult, really the book is about loving one another in Jesus Christ whether it’s a whole church or just two individuals. You have to choose to walk in this love and you will be persecuted. You probably, what we see coming, certainly be prosecuted. 1 Thessalonians 2:14. For you brothers became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus. They are in the Lord. They are of God. You suffered from your own countrymen, the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and also drove us out. We were drove out of the city of Enumclaw in Washington state. Who killed the Lord Jesus Christ and prophets and also drove us out. The persecution always looks the same. They displease God and they are hostile to all men. These are arrogant people who just trample on anybody and everybody. In verse 16, it says, in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always keep up their sins to the limit. God has used this situation to do a sifting among Christians and non-Christians to find out who’s going to repent and who’s not. And the longer you’re hard-hearted, the longer you refuse to repent, you’re heaping your sins up to the limit and that’s why you see people doing things you never thought they would do, nor did they think they would do. But there comes a time when God says, it’s enough. There’s a time when God makes an example of these people. I don’t know, maybe the judge will see, maybe tomorrow, it may be before this show comes out. I don’t really know. That’s in his hands. Read the last part of that, Jacob.

Jacob: The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

Timothy: You see both the offer of mercy here, you see the fire, a curse, be on anyone who doesn’t love the Lord. You see the offer. You see these things are balanced out. There’s nothing wrong with saying before the living God, once everything has been done, once the message has been laid out, once time has gone on, and things have run their course, to rejoice in the fact that the wrath of God has come upon them at last.

This has been The Consider Podcast at www.consider.info, where yesterday’s folly is today’s madness. In the beginning, the unrepentant sinner’s words are folly. At the end, they are wicked madness. Ecclesiastes 10:13.

Judgment begins with the house of God. Therefore, let everyone who loves the Lord with an undying love pick up their cross and walk the talk as Peter the Apostle wrote: Therefore, prepare your minds for action, be self-controlled. 1 Peter 1:13-14.
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